Hello,
Looking for photos/roster information on the ore cars the Lehigh and hudson & CRP/CNJ had that served new jersey zinc /odgen/sterling mines. This would not be the cover hopper type, but the "missabbee range" type that they added covers two. I'm trying to kibash a few but can't find any of the cover details.
thank you in advance
Hey Jeff. I just saw that you are modeling the New Jersey Zinc company. Interestingly I am also modeling that. But I'm going with the Palmerton PA NJZ West Plant and Chestnut Ridge Railway. I don't have any information on the ore cars, but I have a buddy who lives in Sussex county who rides dirt bikes to the ogdensburg mine all the time. We ride on the abandoned Lackawanna Cutoff roadbed.
Do you happen to model Palmerton or the NJZ smelting facilities located there? If so we should definitely talk.
Matt
There is a photo of a L&H ore car on this site:
http://www.madrivermuseum.org/equipment.html
The Morning Sun Book "Lehigh and Hudson River" has a bunch of photos of the zinc mining area and facilities - after all, it was the one of the two major on-line imdustries of what was otherwise a bridge line. Chapter Two starts with five pages on the limestone (using as a fluxing agent in blast furnaces) quaries, follwed by four pages on the biggest on line customer of all, New Jersey Zinc at Franklin and includes a track plan and aerial view from low altitude so you can see a lot of detail and, finally, three pages on the operation at Palmerton (although off-line) and two photos of L&HR ore hoppers (!) - but no roof details (sob!)
Per the caption "The L&HR began buying zinc ore cars in 1906 and those 1700 series were similar in size and appearance to the 1800's made by ACF in 1915. The 1900's were built by the Reading Company shop in 1940" So maybe a search of ACF and Reading records might prove useful.
BTW, the 1800's look like they kept their T-Section trucks to the end, even though they were banned from interchange in 1953. And interchanged they were, between the CNJ and L&HR.
There is an ancient model you could use as a start for a kitbotch, originally made by Varney way back in the Fifties and laterly marketed by Life Like
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIFE-LIKE-No-8514-COVERED-HOPPER-ERIE-RAPIDO-COUPLERS-/322372871640
Essentially what Varney did was dream up a roof and slap it on their standard hopper car. You could pop off the roof, cut down the sides, remove the saw tooth hoppers, put the roof back on and have something resembling a 1900 series car.
Or you could pop off the roof and trim it to fit the Missabi Range ore car of your choice to make something like a 1800 series car (think you may have to cut down the sides)
Here's an ACF built covered hopper from 1940 that may help with the roof details
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s319/centralpullman/Prototype%20Photos/LO_hopper_zps5cqvbrxe.jpg
Ans, since no one knows how they actually looked, who is to say you're wrong...
And guess what! I found builders photos of CRP ore hoppers! Number 99042 (resembling LHR 1800's)
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cnj99042.jpg
And CRP Number 1 (Yes,ONE) resembling the LHR' 1900's
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cnj1.jpg
Hope this helps
Matt,
Great to here, i am modeling the anthracite roads with New York Harbor to Wilkes-Barre LV/CNJ as main focus. I have used representive model and selective compression to include car floats, port area, refinery, coke works and bethlehem steel. The layout is vague enough that the harbor area could be Philly or NY harbor, depending on whether i run reading/PRR or CNJ/LV. I have a representive model of NJZ i am making out of kitbashed Walthers blower house. I have several NJZ/CRP/CNJ pieces of rolling stock for the zinc plant and i am working on a pair of L&H C430 for an interchange train into my allentown yard. There is guy in Nevada selling great ore car kits, I have assemble one and they are complicated but awesome when done. see link to shortline model products
Forgot the link
https://www.shortlinemodelproducts.com/store/KITS-CRAFTSMAN-c48139239
I am going to make it a point to find the book, also the 99042 is exactly what i was looking for.
Shortline models makes a kit for CNJ 1 that comes with CRP/CNJ and L&H decals. Its an awesome kit
Jeff you might want to drop in on the post MAtt did a few weeks ago about the NJZ plant. I put up quite a bit of info on the plant and operations and ariel photos of the complex. Much better than the ones found by goolge.
I do beleive roundhouse made ore cars very similar to what you seek. Now finding them night be a challange.
Shane
A pessimist sees a dark tunnel
An optimist sees the light at the end of the tunnel
A realist sees a frieght train
An engineer sees three idiots standing on the tracks stairing blankly in space
For anyone interested, here is a link to my collection of L&HR, CNJ, and CRP ore car photos that would have seen service at New Jersey Zinc.
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzQE82
- Matt
What do the reporting marks CRP stand for?
MidlandMike What do the reporting marks CRP stand for?
Central Railroad of Pennsylvania. It was the CNJ's attempt to avoid taxes on its PA trackage. It lasted from the mid 1940s to mid 1950s before the CRP was merged back with the CNJ.
Guys!
I just found an article in Zinc magazine June 1954 titled "A Roof for Ore Cars." It's all about the covered ore cars used at the NJZ mines. I think it will clear up a lot of mysteries. See links below.
Page 1 of 2: https://flic.kr/p/2nmyz3K
Page 2 of 2: https://flic.kr/p/2nmDSpn
Hello All,
After looking at the articles and photos of these specific hoppers I noticed a striking similarity to the Tyco HO 34-foot operating hoppers.
I have been collecting these cars since getting back into the hobby in 2014. My first set was given to me in the early 1970s with my first train.
Several of the spotting features of the Tyco cars are similar to the prototype; are the seven (7) panels on the car body, the air reservoir located under one sloped end, and the brake wheel.
Tyco produced these operating hoppers in many liveries. The Virginian being the most popular, along with Boston & Main, Monon, Holly Sugar, Reading, and Spreckles Sugar.
Two (2) roofs were produced by Tyco for these cars.
One was a four (4) round-hatch type with raised sides, which raised the height of the car.
The other was a four (4) square-hatch type, without raised sides, for a lower profile.
If you are looking at populating your pike with this class of hoppers I would look at the Tyco 34-foot operating hoppers as an almost identical match.
You can run these cars without the unloading capability and make drop-in loads for ease of operation.
Hope this helps.
"Uhh...I didn’t know it was 'impossible' I just made it work...sorry"
jjdamnit Hello All, After looking at the articles and photos of these specific hoppers I noticed a striking similarity to the Tyco HO 34-foot operating hoppers. I have been collecting these cars since getting back into the hobby in 2014. My first set was given to me in the early 1970s with my first train. Several of the spotting features of the Tyco cars are similar to the prototype; are the seven (7) panels on the car body, the air reservoir located under one sloped end, and the brake wheel. Tyco produced these operating hoppers in many liveries. The Virginian being the most popular, along with Boston & Main, Monon, Holly Sugar, Reading, and Spreckles Sugar. Two (2) roofs were produced by Tyco for these cars. One was a four (4) round-hatch type with raised sides, which raised the height of the car. The other was a four (4) square-hatch type, without raised sides, for a lower profile. If you are looking at populating your pike with this class of hoppers I would look at the Tyco 34-foot operating hoppers as an almost identical match. You can run these cars without the unloading capability and make drop-in loads for ease of operation. Hope this helps.
Ahh good eye. It appears that the Monon roadname was the only one that came with the correct roof (square hatches). I'll have to keep an eye out for some. Thanks!
All,
Thanks for all the great info, i did get the morning sun book and it was great. Shortline products makes the later version with steel roof in a kit, have 3 of those they are great. I found a 3d print on a car that is very close to the original 1200 series cars with the homemade wood roofs. (these were put on originally by NJZ as a test. the car is available on Shapeways, it is made by singular trains, it is sold as a cpr ore car-robust. the couple pocket needs some modification to fit a kadee and the boolster needs a shim for trucks to clear under frame, or you need to trim some of the car bottom details. I chose to shim the bolster and put drop couplers on thank you again for all the help! Jeff