a few days ago I was at a crossing as a NS train passed there was one car in the middle of train, i am thinking a covered hopper, that caught my attention. What caught my eye was a white hose running along the length of the car attached (tied off) in numerous places. It was connected to the air hoses of the car in front of & behind it. Is this temporary means of by-passing a car that might have a leak or bad piping and keeping the rest of the air system intact?
Would anyone happen to have a photo of one in use?
Yes, its is used if the car has an inoperative or damaged brake system. Normally the railroad has to get an FRA waiver to move the car in a train, because the rules require 100% of the brakes to be working out of the initial terminal (or wherever the car was added to the train) and obviously that car won't have working air brakes.
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dbduckWould anyone happen to have a photo of one in use?
I recall seeing one used when a dead locomotive was being moved but I didn't get a picture.
Here's a catalog page from a supplier:
http://www.stratoinc.com/hose-assemblies/run-round-hose
Good Luck, Ed
There is a YouTube video of one of the modern hoses being installed -- it is posted in the counterpart thread on the Trains forums.
The current version of this hose is interesting. It is flat and thin, a bit like those roll-up-and-stow garden hoses, and the whole kit -- 100' hose, aluminum gladhands, various ties, and hose reel with bungee retainers -- weighs under 20lb!
If modeling this, the white hose will be cylindrical under pressure, and flat & wavy if the car is set out.
dehusman the rules require 100% of the brakes to be working out of the initial terminal
I thought the number was below 100%. I have been told that there are isolation valves on the freight cars to isolate the "working" portion of the system. I thought something like 1 in 20 could have the valve in the inoperative position.
The bypass hose described would be needed in case of a leak in the main air line.
Was the rule always 100%, or was that a change?
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190dehusman the rules require 100% of the brakes to be working out of the initial terminal
I underscored "out of the initial terminal".
After leaving the initial terminal and passing the initial brake test a car or cars may be cut out and tagged on both sides.
Under no circumstances less than 85% of the brakes remain operable.
Scroll to section 30 here:
http://rgpcops.net/images/abth.pdf
Go to 6:00 here:
(I like the Del Monte fruit sticker on the locomotive AB gauge at 1:20 )
Cheers, Ed
gmpullmanI underscored "out of the initial terminal". After leaving the initial terminal and passing the initial brake test a car or cars may be cut out and tagged on both sides. Under no circumstances less than 85% of the brakes remain operable
OK, thanks for the great information.
That is why I ask questions.
Thanks i learned something new also to
Guys, If I may? While working on the Chessie(C&O) we had a ragged looking gon to give us fits because of a faulty air hose.We had to stop several times to deal with this gon.
IIRC the car was around 30-40 cars from the caboose. What the conductor did at Maysville is to switch the car out and place it behind our caboose with the air drained off. I placed a red flag n the coupler hole and we continued on our way to Russell.
From my umderstanding the conductor would have left it at Maysville and scrapped it in place.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
BRAKIEIIRC the car was around 30-40 cars from the caboose. What the conductor did at Maysville is to switch the car out and place it behind our caboose with the air drained off. I placed a red flag n the coupler hole and we continued on our way to Russell.
Can't do that anymore. 49 CFR SS 232.15 : can't have the last car without operating air brakes.
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zugmannCan't do that anymore. 49 CFR SS 232.15 : can't have the last car without operating air brakes.
I figured that with the way they have ruled railroading completely out of railroading... I'm surprise we got by with doing that although I suspect that moved raised a few eyebrows.
BRAKIEI figured that with the way they have ruled railroading completely out of railroading... I'm surprise we got by with doing that although I suspect that moved raised a few eyebrows.
That rule makes sense, though. Both for the reasons of emergency application* from a EOT, and from a "what if" the last car becomes uncoupled from your train.
*- also similar reasoning for not having a car with inoperative airbrakes being first, or more than one coupled together anywhere.
Technically you aren't supposed to do that since like, WW1.
dehusman zugmann Can't do that anymore. 49 CFR SS 232.15 : can't have the last car without operating air brakes. Technically you aren't supposed to do that since like, WW1.
zugmann Can't do that anymore. 49 CFR SS 232.15 : can't have the last car without operating air brakes.
Technically the caboose was the last car since the gon was listed in the train consist.
Like I said I'm surprise we got by with that move and I'm sure eyebrows was raised.
Nothing was said by any offical.
BRAKIETechnically the caboose was the last car since the gon was listed in the train consist.
I don't think that is how it works - but it may work as an excuse.
There's times we've all had to do something to take care of business - many times with the official's approval/order.
zugmann I don't think that is how it works - but it may work as an excuse.
I was in my 18th month of employment and I was worried about that move and even though I knew better to question a conductor I asked my conductor if anything would be said..
His reply was it was still in listed in the consist except it was moved to the rear of the train as a B/O. Besides if I set that car out in Maysville a carman would need to drive from Russell or maybe Queensgate to fix it. A easy 8 hours pay for one hour work.
I figured a peeking tommy would nail us before we reached Limeville. The reason I as worried a peeking tommy nailed me for improperly dismounting a locomotive. I came down the steps forward instead of turning and backing down the steps. I knew better and it was a dumb thing to do.
I recieved a rule infraction letter with a warning and of course a copy went into my records.
BRAKIEI recieved a rule infraction letter with a warning and of course a copy went into my records.
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