3 & 4 bay cylindrical covered hoppers

[Motley]

I know the 3 & 4 bay cylindrical covered hoppers are used for corn, grain, etc.

But are they also used for fertalizer and frac sand?

I want some of these for my new industry Rail to Road Aggregate Transfer faciltiy.

[mlehman]

Yes, 4-bay ones are used for potash, as a lot of the Potash Corporation of Saskatchwen cars are. Google that name + railroad car in Images and you can see theirs.

["JaBear"]

Does this help??

http://wisconsinwatch.org/2014/07/as-rail-moves-frac-sand-across-wisconsin-landscape-new-conflicts-emerge/

EDIT. Actually it probably doesn't, those are 2 bay hoppers, I should read the question!!!

This may be more appropriate.....

http://www.hulcher.com/industries/frac-sand/

EDIT #2. With such a poor initial showing I think I need to try to partially redeem myself. Here are some better photos of the Indusmin cylindrical hoppers.....

http://thundertrain.org/040413USnchx38817indusmin-52R.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=150904

http://freight.railfan.ca/northamerican/nahx45687.jpg

Cheers, the Bear.

[Motley]

Aha! Very nice. I saw that photo of the frac sand being loaded into the round hatches. The hoppers I'm interested in has the same round hatches.

I seen some CN hoppers that had Potash lettering on them. I didn't even know Potash was fertalizer.

So now I can get a bunch of new hoppers for this industry.

[wp8thsub]

Motley

But are they also used for ... frac sand?

Probably not.  Sand is heavy and dense.  A 3- or 4-bay cylindrical hopper would be loaded to its rated capacity without using a large portion of its cubic volume.  Frac sand is usually shipped in smaller 2-bay cars like those used for cement.

[mlehman]

Note that the link was to Hulcher, who specializes in cleanups, transfer of overloading cargo, etc. In an emergency, I'm guessing they would use whatever's on hand in terms of available rolling stock. That would account for a car that normally wouldn't be in this service being used. One way to deal with the issue would be to load it over the trucks at each end, then let things settle towards the middle as the car moved. This, along with observing the car's weight limit, would make the big LOs usuable, if not really practical for hauling frac sand.

That's not really gonna help with Michael's need though. It is pretty much the case that frac sand does travel in 2-bay hoppers, although I've heard that due to the press of this new business even open gons have been pressed into this service, presumably covered or tarped?

["JaBear"]

wp8thsub

 A 3- or 4-bay cylindrical hopper would be loaded to its rated capacity without using a large portion of its cubic volume.

Ah Rob, I had wondered if I had found the “exception to the rule” though there is precedence for cars being used for purposes other than their original design.

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/13/t/211291.aspx

 However as Michael has indicated that he will purchase new hoppers, and though I have no idea what’s currently available in HO, I would suggest that I would buy 2 bay hoppers for frac sand carriage, though to being a Bear I would have at least one 4 bay cylindrical hopper.

 

"...........that due to the press of this new business even open gons have been pressed into this service,.... "

http://sevenriversintermodal.com/frac-sand-producers-suppliers/

 

http://www.minnpost.com/two-cities/2012/06/st-paul-residents-concerned-about-trains-carrying-frac-sand-through-neighborhoods

 

Cheers, the Bear.

 

[wp8thsub]

...being a Bear I would have at least one 4 bay cylindrical hopper.

Hey, um, I uh said probably as opposed to definitely not... Maybe I'm covered.

[Motley]

OK I will get some 2 bay hoppers also. I will have a bunch of different ones. 2 bay, 3 bay, and 4 bay hoppers.

 

[denveroutlaws06]

here are the Trinity 2 bay hoppers if you are looking for those.

http://www.americanlimitedmodels.com/category_s/1515.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1515&show=60&page=1

[Motley]

denveroutlaws06

here are the Trinity 2 bay hoppers if you are looking for those.

http://www.americanlimitedmodels.com/category_s/1515.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1515&show=60&page=1

 

Geeeezus! $50 each for those small 2 bay hoppers. No thanks. I already found some on ebay for $20 each.