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decals vs dry transfers
Posted by swolcott on Monday, January 7, 2008 12:21 AM

I need to start lettering some rolling stock.  I have a choice of using decals or dry transfers.  I haven't used either before, unless you count the decals on model airplanes 40 years ago.  Which would you use?  Why?  What are the pros and cons?

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, January 7, 2008 7:58 AM

Dry transfers tend to be made by companies (like Clover House) specializing in more limited prototypes, like steam era lettering and obscure shortlines. So a lot of times you don't have the choice, if you want some lettering sets you may only be able to get some as wetslide decals, and some as dry transfers.

Dry transfers are nice if you have the burnisher (you can get one from Woodland Scenics). You can get it to snuggle down nicely over the body of the car or engine. Also dry transfers don't have a lot of extra space around the lettering, it's not like decals where you usually have to carefully trim them to come as close as possible to the lettering before soaking them.

On the other hands, dry transfers are a 'one shot deal'. If the lettering is a little crooked, too bad!! With wetslide decals, you have some time to move the decal around before setting it in place (with solvaset etc.).

p.s. you might get more answers in the general model railroad or layout building sub-forums in the MR forum, this part is geared more towards questions relating to prototype (real) railroads.

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Posted by bogp40 on Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:29 PM
For lettering and heralds on locos, Decals, especially some of the fine ones available today, would be a better choice. Dry transfers work great on buildings, especially brick. Partially faded and worn lettering is easy to do.

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Posted by Dayliner on Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:41 AM
I mostly use dry transfers in order to match specific prototypes.  Working in N scale, I find the easiest way is to rub the dry transfers onto clear decal film, and then apply them like ordinary decals.  Of course, when I have a project that can be lettered just with decals, I appreciate taking the even easier way!
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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:28 AM

Dry transfers and decals each have their pros and cons.  Decals require a gloss or semi-gloss surface for the best results, which involves an extra step if you normally paint with flat paints.  When you're finished lettering, some sort of a clear overspray is required to make the decal blend-in with its background.  On the plus side, there is a wide variety of decal lettering available, and most allow an extended period for aligning or repositioning the individual elements.  With the use of setting solutions, decals can be easily used on curved or irregular surfaces, and it's easy to change individual digits in dimensional data if you're trying to duplicate a particular prototype. 

Dry transfers are best suited to flat surfaces, such as carsides, although it is possible to apply them to more irregular surfaces with some care.  However, you usually get only one chance to position things where and how you want them:  once on the surface of the model, the lettering can't be moved.  You can remove it by dabbing at it with the sticky side of some masking tape, but the lettering is not salvageable.  Once the lettering is properly positioned on the model, the tissue backing paper is placed over it and the lettering is "burnished" by thoroughly rubbing with either a burnishing tool or a medium pencil.  Even a fingernail is useful to burnish along panel seams or adjacent to raised details.  When applying dry transfers on irregular surfaces, like boxcar ends, it's helpful to support the car vertically while you work - I find that placing the car, with a soft cloth beneath the lower end, in a heavy beer mug works well.  Even so, getting the correct placement can be difficult, especially because the carrier film for dry transfers is only partially transparent.  I find that an easier solution is to apply the end markings to some clear decal film, overspray it with Dulcote, then apply it as you would any decal.  Of course, now you're back into that gloss or semi-gloss surface prep. Sigh  In places where you can't fully burnish the lettering, decal setting solution will also set dry transfers.  This is particularily useful when lettering "wood" cars:  as with a decal, slit the lettering where it spans joints between boards (use a sharp blade, so as to not tear the lettering), then apply a strong decal setting solution, such as Solvaset.  Again, as with decals, several applications may be required.  The big plus for dry transfers is that there is no decal film to hide.  Even so, a clear overspray is a good idea, particularily if you plan on weathering with water-based washes, as the lettering is somewhat "waxy" and repels water.  Here are a few examples:

Lettered with decals:

 

And some lettered with dry transfers:

 

And these were done with dry transfers, but with decals for the dimensional data:

 

Finally, a loco with striping and numberboards done with decals, and the roadname and numbers done with a dry transfer alphabet set.

 

Wayne

 

 

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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:07 PM
For numbers and data plates on semi smooth, flat surfaces, I like dry transfer better. Easier to remove if you screw them up too.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 2, 2008 2:15 PM
I want to apply the Ferromex paint scheme on an N-scale SD90-43 MAC converted to a SD90 MAC 6000 horse power version with beveled engine compartment. It's either that or the Ferromex scheme on a new 'Evolution' series with the similar body if anyone has come out with this in N-scale which I doubt. I've never done anything like this before so I'm looking for advise on the easiest way to do this. Thanks in advance.
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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, February 2, 2008 3:30 PM

I did a quick search for Ferromex lettering in N scale and could find none.  If you could post a photo of the prototype, perhaps someone could come up with some suggestions for the lettering.  If it's simply words or letters, and numbers, you could probably find a decal or dry transfer alphabet set in the proper size and font, but a herald or logo could be more of a challenge to duplicate.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:00 PM
http://www.trains.com/mrr/objects/images/mrr-np0208_803.jpg  I think this is a link to a good picture. Paint scheme doesn't have a logo other than a few stylized letters so I guess I could probably use the dry transfer or decal alphabet set idea. What is dry transfer or decal? Is it like a sticker, or is it something that you get wet, apply and let dry?
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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, February 2, 2008 8:05 PM

Decals are soaked in water until they release from their backing paper.  After positioning on the model, they're treated with a decal setting solution, such as MicroSol, or Solvaset.  Dry transfers are on a carrier sheet which is placed in the proper position on the model, then rubbed with a burnishing tool or medium pencil.  The carrier sheet is then removed, and a sheet of tissue, which is part of the set, is placed over the lettering and burnished again.  Decals can be moved before the setting solution is applied, whereas dry transfers cannot be moved after the initial application.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 2, 2008 8:34 PM
Thanks for your help. I'll get started on this in a month or two when I get established in my new career and I'll post the pics when it's done. I think the Ferromex paint scheme is really nice and I know south west scenery is pretty easy to model. I'm actually split between south west and Appalachian for my layout. I have a dreamy idea of having some old pyramids with stepped sides built into a layout that's composed of two 4 by 8 foot platforms joined like an 'L'. I presently have a 4 by 8 foot base built with 3/8 inch plywood and reinforced with 1 by 2 inch oak braces suspended from cables and pulleys so I can push it up out of the way. I just have to add another 4 by 8 foot unit and I'll use Styrofoam for the topography. I want to run 100 car modern freights and I'll wind it all up so I can do this. I've been running 65 car trains on what I have now, with Kato track and 4% grades, so I'm confident I can run longer if I do it right with flexi-track. I appreciate your help.

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