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Posted by TheK4Kid on Monday, April 11, 2022 9:47 PM

That was 66 years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday!!!Big SmileBig Smile

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Posted by 7j43k on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:01 PM

Lucky kid!

Great story, thanks.

 

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Posted by TheK4Kid on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:27 PM

During the week of Christmas 1956, I was 5 years old and my Grandpa ran the roofing and hardware department of Sears and Roebuck in Ft Wayne Indiana.

He took me work with him one day and put me with the guy running the Lionel trains layout in the display windows of the store which were huge windows.

It was quite a train setup, I remember about 6 trains running at once, with lots of accessories and scale buildings!

 I tremember the big Lionel"Z" transformers of which there were 3 or 4 of them.

I dind't want to go with Grandpa after work, but stay there and help run the trains!

 This is how I originally got hooked on model trains!

Dad always setup his Lionel trains around our Christmas tree at Christmas time. He got them as a birthday present on his 12th birthday in 1935.

I now have those trains  and they still run!

A red freight steam engie pulling several freight cars and a caboose and the other one is a Commodore Vanderbilt steam engine pulling three passenger cars.

I now have an HO scale train layout in my basement I am working on. It is 6 feet wide and 24 feet long using both DC and DCC power.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, December 19, 2021 1:25 AM

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Apparently the store was narrow but very deep, and (literally) filled to the rafters with Lionel stuff. I read someone who had been there saying an employee had to get a rolling ladder to climb up to get something for a customer that was stored near ceiling level.

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, December 18, 2021 9:31 PM

The Twilight Zone I remember was where a couple wakes up in a deserted strange town.  They think everyone must be looking at them behind window curtains.  They find the train station and hop on the train as it's leaving.  They are glad to leave the strange town, but are horrified when the train stops at the next station which turns out to be the same station.  You see them running around the town, as the camera pans out, to see that the couple is actually running on a giant model train layout.  Then you hear a mother ask her son if he likes the little humans his father brought back from earth.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, December 18, 2021 4:43 PM

OldEngineman

An old Twilight Zone, "Night of the Meek" (with Art Carney as a drunken department store Santa who literally stumbles onto a magic bag of gifts) features a Lionel Christmas layout.

It's season 2, episode 11. One of my favorite Christmas stories...

I remember that episode!  I think a local station used to do a Twilight Zone binge on New Year's Eve.  That was always there, along with the old woman with the flying saucer in her attic.  The Willowby story was there too.

As they say, Rod Sterling never died.  He just got tired of commuting.

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Posted by OldEngineman on Thursday, December 16, 2021 9:46 PM

An old Twilight Zone, "Night of the Meek" (with Art Carney as a drunken department store Santa who literally stumbles onto a magic bag of gifts) features a Lionel Christmas layout.

It's season 2, episode 11. One of my favorite Christmas stories...

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, December 16, 2021 1:25 PM

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I have been to a few NY City hobby shops, but never Madison Hardware. I was shocked at the photo of how small it was. The had full page ads in MR back in the day, but I guess they were mostly mail order.

Apparently the store was narrow but very deep, and (literally) filled to the rafters with Lionel stuff. I read someone who had been there saying an employee had to get a rolling ladder to climb up to get something for a customer that was stored near ceiling level.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:41 PM

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 Madison Hardware, 1967 by Fred Clark, Jr., on Flickr

Maybe?

I could sure have a good time here! Burgers on the left, Liquor on the right and Trains in the middle Smile

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I have been to a few NY City hobby shops, but never Madison Hardware.  I was shocked at the photo of how small it was.  The had full page ads in MR back in the day, but I guess they were mostly mail order.

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Posted by wrench567 on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 2:57 PM

chutton01

 

 
wrench567
  I don't know how many people remember the indoor slot car emporiums? My brother and I had 1/32 scale cars.

 


Well, it's fairly easy to remember on Long Island as of 2020 (think it was still open in 2021, haven't passed by since summer though).

 

 

 

   That's incredible!!!! About a four hour drive from here though. I bet they are rare and far between. Too bad my 1/32 cars are long gone. I had one where the front tires turned with the slot guide. Spare motors, tires, brushes and other parts. It was a once a week enjoyment my brother and I shared with my dad.

    Thank you.

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P.S. sorry for the tangent to the thread.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 2:36 PM

Not to hijack the thread, but I would be interested in hearing from anyone who visited Madison Hardware 'back in the day'. I've heard that it had an amazing array of Lionel products back to almost the start of the company, but was staffed by folks who were a bit let's say 'surly'?

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, December 13, 2021 9:22 PM

 Madison Hardware, 1967 by Fred Clark, Jr., on Flickr

Maybe?

I could sure have a good time here! Burgers on the left, Liquor on the right and Trains in the middle Smile

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, December 13, 2021 8:50 PM

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There was also a hardware store In Manhattan I can't think of the name of that...

Could it be Madison Hardware on 23rd St.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, December 13, 2021 4:56 PM

tstage

We never had any Lionel products but I and my siblings did grow up on American Flyer.  Even at 2 years old I was smitten.

If I didn't model HO and there were more realistic product available for my road name, I think would enjoy getting into S-scale.

Tom 

That has been a fantasy of mine for years, Tom. I would love to have an S-scale layout, just the perfect size, scale and bulk IMHO. But, as you say, there is a very limited supply of S-scale locos, rolling stock and structures to do an S-scale layout justice.

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Posted by tstage on Monday, December 13, 2021 3:57 PM

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My father spent his entire career at Montgomery Ward in its Corporate Headquarters on the near north side of Chicago. He ran the Packaging and Design Department. Montgomery Ward featured American Flyer trains in its catalog and retail store operation.

MW would photograph American Flyer trains for its seasonal catalogs and the Christmas catalog. The trains and track and everything else to support a layout would then be transferred to the Sample Department for exclusive employee discounted purchases. My Dad had priority in his department head position. He would buy American Flyer stuff for pennies on the dollar and bring those purchases home.

As far as the retail stores were concerned, they took American Flyer equipment from their in-store stock for Christmas layout displays and then stored it for future Christmas displays. I assume that the Sears stores did the same thing with their Lionel trains.

By the way, Momtgomery Ward and Sears were fiercely competitive in everything that they did. As kids, we were forbidden to even enter a Sears store. We had a Sears store within walking distance of our apartment, but we always took the streetcar to the nearest Montgomery Ward store, about 5 miles away.

Rich 

LOVE the personal side stories, Rich! YesCool

Tom

Tom, this thread immediately brought back childhood memories!

Rich

And ones that I can relate to, Rich.  We never had any Lionel products but I and my siblings did grow up on American Flyer.  Even at 2 years old I was smitten.

If I didn't model HO and there were more realistic product available for my road name, I think would enjoy getting into S-scale.

Tom

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Posted by chutton01 on Monday, December 13, 2021 1:27 PM

wrench567
  I don't know how many people remember the indoor slot car emporiums? My brother and I had 1/32 scale cars.


Well, it's fairly easy to remember on Long Island as of 2020 (think it was still open in 2021, haven't passed by since summer though).

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Posted by dknelson on Monday, December 13, 2021 11:14 AM

I certainly remember Lionel display layouts at stores.  The local hardware store just an had oval on a sheet of that greenish grassy stuff.  But it had the operating crossing gates and the switch tender who comes out of the shack, both of which captivated me. And I think it was Lionel's actual O line not O-27.

The larger department stores in downtown Milwaukee had larger and more elaborate layouts, possibly with the assistance of Lionel itself, and usually featuring the over-and-under elevated track piers that Lionel sold.  And the same emphasis on noisy and colorful operating accessories, incuding the milk can reefer, the coal dump, the log dump, the newsstand with the newspaper boy and the dog circling the fire hydrant, etc.  Sometimes they'd also have a simple oval or circle in their display windows which were also captivating to me.  I think those displays sold a lot of train sets.  

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, December 13, 2021 11:03 AM

NP Eddie

ALL:

Did Lionel sell or loan Christmas layouts to major department stores in the US and Canada?  What happened to them after the holidays?  I saw a picture of Frank Sinatra purchasing one for his house.

 Ed Burns

 
I know Sinatra later in his life hired someone to build a replica of one of the Lionel Showroom layouts in his home in Palm Springs. TM did a video/DVD about it.
 
Lionel did offer display layouts dealers could get, going back to the early part of the 20th century. Kalmbach made a special issue of "Classic Toy Trains" about them....
 
 
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Posted by EMDSD40 on Monday, December 13, 2021 10:53 AM

I remember going to the Sears store on the Northside of Pittsburgh late 50's with my dad. I was 6 or 7 at that time. It had a nice selection of Lionel trains and accessories with a small layout demonstrating all the latest offerings. My dad always bought at least one thing for the Christmas platform be it Lionel ot Plasticville. That year it was the Lionel floodlight tower (4.95). To this day I remember that special Christmas time memory with my father as clear as a bell. That tower still working fine on the Lionel layout and the original box sits on a shelf in the trainroom. Alot to be said about this hobby.....not just toy trains...but a lifetime of wonderful memories. 

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, December 13, 2021 10:49 AM

peahrens

Maybe a tangent, but I remember as a kid in Manhattan ('50s) that we went to see  a large Lionel layout downtown at the holidays.  Maybe 23rd St or so, maybe their headquarters...?  Perhaps Lion knows...

 

 

yes. Lionel had a showroom store in Manhattan with a year round display layout.   There was also a hardware store In Manhattan I can't think of the name of that was another "showroom" for the same in Chicago.    You were probably in one of those Paul.    

also Lionel did sell the display layouts. Like a super delux train set. Minus the table/ bench work.  There was a bunch of designs all listed as display layouts. Starting with D-  like D109 as product. number.  Not sure how many there were.  Those were what one would see in must in store displays 

 

display layouts. Are a whole side interest for Lionel collectors. Thing SIG group.  

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, December 13, 2021 5:23 AM

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My father spent his entire career at Montgomery Ward in its Corporate Headquarters on the near north side of Chicago. He ran the Packaging and Design Department. Montgomery Ward featured American Flyer trains in its catalog and retail store operation.

MW would photograph American Flyer trains for its seasonal catalogs and the Christmas catalog. The trains and track and everything else to support a layout would then be transferred to the Sample Department for exclusive employee discounted purchases. My Dad had priority in his department head position. He would buy American Flyer stuff for pennies on the dollar and bring those purchases home.

As far as the retail stores were concerned, they took American Flyer equipment from their in-store stock for Christmas layout displays and then stored it for future Christmas displays. I assume that the Sears stores did the same thing with their Lionel trains.

By the way, Momtgomery Ward and Sears were fiercely competitive in everything that they did. As kids, we were forbidden to even enter a Sears store. We had a Sears store within walking distance of our apartment, but we always took the streetcar to the nearest Montgomery Ward store, about 5 miles away.

Rich 

LOVE the personal side stories, Rich! YesCool

Tom 

Tom, this thread immediately brought back childhood memories!

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, December 12, 2021 10:27 PM

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I don't know how many people remember the indoor slot car emporiums?

I do. "May's On The Heights" at Warrensville Center and Chagrin. I was too young to participate but my mom would "park" me in the basement where the huge, was it 8 lane?, track was set up with the banked turns. I would watch for hours.

The racers beought their cars in special travel cases with tools and spare parts for tuning up in the "pit".

There's got to be photos of them somewhere?

 US_Steel by Edmund, on Flickr

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Posted by wrench567 on Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:22 PM

  I don't know how many people remember the indoor slot car emporiums? My brother and I had 1/32 scale cars. One of the emporiums also had a model railroading club. While we had Lionel at home, it was there in that slot car track palace where I was introduced to HO scale. The realism of HO turned me off of Lionel. 

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, December 12, 2021 8:27 PM

Maybe a tangent, but I remember as a kid in Manhattan ('50s) that we went to see  a large Lionel layout downtown at the holidays.  Maybe 23rd St or so, maybe their headquarters...?  Perhaps Lion knows...

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Posted by wrench567 on Sunday, December 12, 2021 7:51 PM

   My mom and aunt were live models for the May company department store in downtown Cleveland in the early forties. Pre WW2. They had to dress in pajamas for the window display. The other window was the boys display and usually had tinplate trains. Not a bad gig for after school and weekends for the holidays. Every week was a different display of different parts of a house. The week before Christmas showed the trees and decorations they sold.

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:54 PM

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My father spent his entire career at Montgomery Ward in its Corporate Headquarters on the near north side of Chicago. He ran the Packaging and Design Department. Montgomery Ward featured American Flyer trains in its catalog and retail store operation.

MW would photograph American Flyer trains for its seasonal catalogs and the Christmas catalog. The trains and track and everything else to support a layout would then be transferred to the Sample Department for exclusive employee discounted purchases. My Dad had priority in his department head position. He would buy American Flyer stuff for pennies on the dollar and bring those purchases home.

As far as the retail stores were concerned, they took American Flyer equipment from their in-store stock for Christmas layout displays and then stored it for future Christmas displays. I assume that the Sears stores did the same thing with their Lionel trains.

By the way, Momtgomery Ward and Sears were fiercely competitive in everything that they did. As kids, we were forbidden to even enter a Sears store. We had a Sears store within walking distance of our apartment, but we always took the streetcar to the nearest Montgomery Ward store, about 5 miles away.

Rich

LOVE the personal side stories, Rich! YesCool

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:48 PM

Well, there is this one.  The whole film is worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kT4W6bi1Mo&t=85s

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, December 12, 2021 5:16 PM

My father spent his entire career at Montgomery Ward in its Corporate Headquarters on the near north side of Chicago. He ran the Packaging and Design Department. Montgomery Ward featured American Flyer trains in its catalog and retail store operation.

MW would photograph American Flyer trains for its seasonal catalogs and the Christmas catalog. The trains and track and everything else to support a layout would then be transferred to the Sample Department for exclusive employee discounted purchases. My Dad had priority in his department head position. He would buy American Flyer stuff for pennies on the dollar and bring those purchases home.

As far as the retail stores were concerned, they took American Flyer equipment from their in-store stock for Christmas layout displays and then stored it for future Christmas displays. I assume that the Sears stores did the same thing with their Lionel trains.

By the way, Momtgomery Ward and Sears were fiercely competitive in everything that they did. As kids, we were forbidden to even enter a Sears store. We had a Sears store within walking distance of our apartment, but we always took the streetcar to the nearest Montgomery Ward store, about 5 miles away.

Rich

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