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Track plan for a car ferry pier 2'x8'

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Track plan for a car ferry pier 2'x8'
Posted by banjobenne1 on Monday, March 22, 2021 3:57 PM

I think I was here before about the same thing. Still looking for a track plan for a car ferry pier to use in an 2'x8' space. Thank you for any help you may offer.

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Posted by cowman on Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 PM

Are you l ooking for an on ferry or off ferry yard?

Any on freey plans I have seen are just straight tracks for the available length.  The  important thing is thaat the load be balanced to keep the ferry level in the water.

Good luck,

Richard

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, March 23, 2021 12:07 AM
Gidday, a couple of things that require some consideration regarding track planning, in addition to Richards pertinent question.
 
1) is the ferry and apron part of the 2 x 8 area?
 
2) if yes to #1, how big is the ferry and apron?
 
3) how many tracks on the ferry?
 
4) how many cars does the ferry hold?
 
EDIT: 5) from an operational point, what is the purpose of the ferry?
 
A useful site, if you haven't already found it...
 

 
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by banjobenne1 on Wednesday, March 24, 2021 9:35 PM

Quesion #1 Yes

     "        2 Walthers kit don't have the spects on hand.

     "        3 Have not purchased the ferry yet most likey 3 tracks.

     "        4 Again have not purchased the ferry yet.

I see just enough water to plant the ferry at the pier. it will be for interchange from my railroad to the rest of the world. 

Love the site you posted thank you.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:42 AM

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Posted by HO-Velo on Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:01 PM

My HO carfloat/float bridge and associated trackage occupies an approximately 2x8 ft. space.  Chose to build the Frenchman River carfloat in the shorter version (about 7-8 car capacity) without add-on extension.

Regards, Peter

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, March 26, 2021 3:04 PM

I have the Walthers Carfloat kit, built to full size, plus the Apron.  The Carfloat holds 15-18 cars.  This is HO scale.

There's really no track plan around it, just a single siding leading in.  There are a few sidings further to the back of this picture.  I regard this design as sub-optimal because it's squeezed in and access is poor, so I'll be rebuilding it somewhere else.

The carfloat on its base are a separate module, which sits on a fold-down shelf when the carfloat is in-port, and the shelf folds away when I pull the carfloat off.

The carfloat base is now covered with Envirotex to look like water.  Incidentally, I replaced the plastic rails on the float with Code 83 metal rails by using pieces of Atlas flex-track.  This reduces rolling reistance.  I prefer to use small engines and 3 flat car idlers to load and unload the carfloat.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, March 28, 2021 5:55 AM
Being a technological luddite, I got out my quad paper, propelling pencil, steel rule, and sat down to see if I could come up with a track plan for a workable interchange. 
 
My conclusion that the Walthers car float with a length of 39 inches, 283 HO scale feet; three tracks; capacity 17 40 foot cars, is not a happening thing in the 2’ x 8’ area.
 
However, and to be fair I haven’t tried to draw it, I rather suspect that the Frenchman River car float, as mentioned and depicted by Peter, 24 inches, 169 HO scale feet; three tracks; capacity 8 40 foot cars, would be workable, in the space allocated.
 
I say the above from the point of trying to design a working yard for my car ferry, 48 inches, 348 HO scale feet: four tracks; capacity 27 40 foot cars, and even with the benefit of outside inspiration, I’m still trying to get an area smaller than 2' 6"  x 25'!  
 
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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, March 28, 2021 5:05 PM

Yoou can build the ferry in differebt lengths.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, March 28, 2021 5:30 PM

rrebell

Yoou can build the ferry in differebt lengths.

That's true, but to actually operate the carfloat you need a lot of yard space, like twice the size of the float itself because you need to typically have a load in the yard waiting to go out when the new full carfloat comes in.  The Walthers float can easily be built shorter.  I built my carfloat as a removeable cassette and in the next incarnation of the terminal I hope to use two carfloats and maybe even eliminate my old yard in favor of a more accessible carfloat yard.

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Posted by HO-Velo on Sunday, March 28, 2021 7:08 PM

banjobenne1
it will be for interchange from my railroad to the rest of the world. 

The carfloat is considered to be my switching layout's rail connection to the rest of the world.  With the float-bridge track unpowered I use 'reacher' cars for loading and unloading.  The 'drill' track is long enough to handle a full cut of carfloat cars.  Unloading and loading the carfloat in a prototypical fashion is fun.  Regards, Peter         Carfloat : Float Bridge Anchoring Mechanisms & Photos : Carfloat Mooring & Pinning Procedures

Regards, Peter

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