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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:46 PM

That's 22" on the outside and 18" on the inside. There isn't 24" or anything like that in the software, at least for code 100 track.  I could go through and redo it with flex to get the bigger radius, but flex track is a pain to work with in the software imho. You have to select 2 points of track to connect with it, you cant free shape a section to place it in. So it's a lot of deleting and adjusting to get a decent radius to work. Those spurs on the right I'd like to make closer to the mains, but working with the flex in the software, that's the best I could do in a timely manner. I'm going to go back and mess around with it some more later.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:34 PM

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Be carefull with the 30" wide tables unless you got long arms.

I agree, but I understand the OP's problem with his current "drawing program", and he states in his post, that the "infield" areas will change.

I would like to know what radius sectional track that he shows,  22" ?  24" ? on each corner.

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Posted by corsiar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:37 PM

Think about adding a yard lead so you can run two trains at the same time. 

 

Be carefull with the 30" wide tables unless you got long arms. I was going to do that on my layout and changed to 24", glad I did or I would have to use a stool all the time to reach stuff.

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 3:27 PM

So I came up with a 10x10 U layout, with a lift out section for the continuous running. Has more than I need and everything I want, so now just to see how it holds up. It's all sectional track save for a few peices of flex off of switches. 

 

the width of the table is 30" with the back depth being 32", but the software I'm using doesn't allow for cutting out sections, so it's stuck at a square. but that is something I would do to make it easier to get to parts of the track. I can always adjust the infield stuff as well, but I figured the outer loop would be a good basis to start the layout.

 

 

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Monday, March 16, 2020 3:43 AM

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You could do L or U shaped, it's just that for HO scale, you'd need at least a 4'x4' on each end for the loop to make it continuous.

Your 5'x8' with a short side against the wall might work better, or the donut thing, with the center open, but with that, you need a duck-under or lift out section for access to the donut hole.

Mike.

 

 

I was thinking maybe a 2ft wide U around the walls of the shed. Then have a lift out by the doors to make it continuous. Might have to make that part a little wider,  and can play with the width throughout the layout. 

 

I'll be happy with a passing siding,  2 industries and a 4 spur yard.  I'll play the bridge/lift off section as if the train has left the scene. Im not aiming for something super realistic,  just something to run some trains and move some frieght.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:23 PM

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could I possible go with a U shape or L shape and still have the continuous running on the inside.

The track (not to scale and poorly rendered) drawing shows my solution to add continuous running to a U shaped point-to-point layout.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:18 PM

You could do L or U shaped, it's just that for HO scale, you'd need at least a 4'x4' on each end for the loop to make it continuous.

Your 5'x8' with a short side against the wall might work better, or the donut thing, with the center open, but with that, you need a duck-under or lift out section for access to the donut hole.

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:53 PM

with lots of work ahead on this, plus working on my warships, it will be a bit before I am ready to start laying tracks. one thing though with the new idea to move it into the shed, could I possible go with a U shape or L shape and still have the continuous running on the inside. I know it'll be a bit of a strech to get to the backside if I kept it around the outside of the shed. I was also thinking a 5x8 in center, with one of the short sides butted up against the back. 

 

i'm just not sure how I'd want to lay it out on the inside there. I think for a layout though i'm going to wait until it's up and then work on it from there. I know I should work the table around the layout, but I can't picture a layout in there right now. I suppose I could take the one I like and just stretch it to fit. But I definitely want a removable section if I have to make a donut out there.  

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 2:01 PM

There are some common items that require more current than many people think.

Vacuum Cleaners and Coffee Makers are common culprits causing breakers to trip.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:52 PM

After my wife immigrated from England and I was climbing out of the pit of the last recession, we lived in some basements for a few years.  We were frequently popping the circuit braker with our little makeshift kitchen.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:35 AM

Wdodge0912

Right now one plug in the garage, the one my heater is on, is on the same circuit as the microwave and the plug next to it, lohjt above the sink and the garbage disposal. With the heater going and microwave, we can't use anything else on that circuit without it popping, and the wife loves her air fryer and instant pot.

LOL

That brings back memories. Years ago, in a prior house, I installed a microwave above the stove and hard wired it into a nearby circuit. Worked fine...until Thanksgiving Day.

With family and relatives sitting at the dining room and a 10 light chandelier (600 watts) sitting above the table, my wife went into the kitchen and warmed up a bowl of turkey gravy in the microwave. Poof! The microwave shut down and so did the dining room chandelier. Too many watts for the 15 amp circuit.

Fortunately, in the Chicago area where we live, conduit is required by code. So, it was somewhat easy to re-route the microwave to a less used circuit.

Rich

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:28 AM

It sounds like your garage outlet is tied into the kitchen circuit, mine's the same way.

On your main panel, the switch(s) that turn off the power, usually have what amps they are on the switch.

Those electric heaters do draw a lot, and if you read the fine print on the heater directions, it will probably tell you it's best to plug the heater into it's own dedicated 20 amp outlet.  Yea, right!

Having an electrician set you up with a sub panel in the garage would be the best way to handle it, then you could probably run a 20 amp circuit out to the shed, with a GFI breaker.

You'll have lots to do this summer!

Mike.

 

 

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:06 AM

I'm pretty sure the house inspector said it was a 100 amp or a 150 amp, I don't remember right off hand.  I was actually thinking of putting a sub panel out on the garage and having one of those breakers run to the shed. Right now one plug in the garage, the one my heater is on, is on the same circuit as the microwave and the plug next to it, lohjt above the sink and the garbage disposal. With the heater going and microwave, we can't use anything else on that circuit without it popping, and the wife loves her air fryer and instant pot.

I suppose I could put a small AC unit into the wall. I was planning for heat my little electric radiator. It heats my garage up well, so once the shed is done, should heat that up even better. 

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 11:32 AM

 That would definitely be the way to do it, if possible.  At this point, I have stuff running everywhere - there is now a sub panel in my basement in the finished part, and there already was a panel, run through a heavy duty GFCI, out at my pool.

Going to need some AC for the summer, a small window unit will do the trick if the walls are insulated - a really small one, for an 8x10 space. ANd going to need heat for the winter. Couple of LED shop lights for lighting, and a couple of outlets to plug the trains into. Biggest loads would be the heat or AC.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 8:54 AM

We live in what was my grandfathers house, which he built in the early 40's, and it had a 60 amp service, with the 2 main fuse plugs and a row 15 amp fuses under that. All the wiring in this house is the BX cable, with 12 ga. wires.

Insurance said no more 60 amps, so in 1990, I had 100 amps put in.  Everything around here is now 200 amps., even our small place in northern WI.  

The reason I asked the OP, is can he run maybe a 20 amp or 30 amp sub panel for power in his shed.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 7:32 AM

 I'd potentially guess 100 amp service since it seems to be an older home, but around here, 200 amp has been the standard for many years. We had 100 amp where I grew up, built in 1952, but I have 200 amp here, built in 1972.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:39 AM

I guess your project for this summer is to fix up the shed for a train room.

Where is your electric service panel located? and how far away is the shed from the house?  I'm guessing you have a 100 amp service?

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 6:27 AM

rrinker

 Well, that's a bit more space, at the expense of having to insulate, heat, cool, and run electric to it. ANd slog through the snow to get out there.

 Maybe it would make a better boat workshop, and put the layout in the garage.

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if it was a train shed or a boat shop, I'd have to do all the same things to it, insulate it, run electricity for tools, heat in the winter, cool in the summer. Plus with it being more of a workshop for boats, I'd havbe to be ducking down all the time to work on anything. With trains, I could have a nice swivelly chair to spin around. I mean, both ways I'm ducking when inside, but with trains I won't have to constantly be ducking. 

With the boat shop in the garage and the trains in the shed, I can still park my car in the garage though. And with the trains in the shed I can store things below the layout. 

 

With a car parked in the garage, the space available isn't neary as big as the shed would be. 

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Posted by cuyama on Monday, March 9, 2020 8:47 PM

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However, since it appears to me that both of the above plans are basically double track loops which would allow two trains to operate in opposite directions, and assuming normal right hand operation, there are a plethora of facing point sidings.  I would get tired of that really quickly.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course. But bear in mind:

1) That's why there are runarounds formed by the crossovers

2) Trains could work the spurs in one direction, runaround, and then work in the other direction.*

3) The above seems like fun to me

4) YMMV

* Edit: Or run one "eastbound" and one "westbound". Also fun.

 

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Posted by maxman on Monday, March 9, 2020 7:11 PM

 

I haven't be following this thread too closely.  However, since it appears to me that both of the above plans are basically double track loops which would allow two trains to operate in opposite directions, and assuming normal right hand operation, there are a plethora of facing point sidings.  I would get tired of that really quickly.

 

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, March 9, 2020 6:01 PM

 Well, that's a bit more space, at the expense of having to insulate, heat, cool, and run electric to it. ANd slog through the snow to get out there.

 Maybe it would make a better boat workshop, and put the layout in the garage.

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Monday, March 9, 2020 5:45 PM

Shed is 12ft x 10ft inside. The 10ft is also from inside to inside of the studs

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Friday, March 6, 2020 10:35 PM

riogrande5761

Report the dimensions of the shed when you get a chance.  If that is more space, I'd be tempted to insulate it as you commented.

You can still store stuff under a layout and the layout can be around the walls with a lift out bridge.  Perhaps you can build shelfs up high too, to maximize storage capacity and still have your cake and eat it too.

 

 

Will get to it after work. Tried to earlier but wasn't able to, had other stuff to get done around the house, like installing a lock box over the thermostat....

 

We don't have much that would be put in the shed, it could probably all fit underneath the layout. And I'm going to be doing the work anyways is the way I look at it. Yea going out there in the winter would be a bummer having to get in through the snow, but I could do it. I think I'd even be running electricity for a light out there anyways, putting my trains out there that just means more, brighter ones than just a single bulb. 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, March 6, 2020 6:40 AM

Report the dimensions of the shed when you get a chance.  If that is more space, I'd be tempted to insulate it as you commented.

You can still store stuff under a layout and the layout can be around the walls with a lift out bridge.  Perhaps you can build shelfs up high too, to maximize storage capacity and still have your cake and eat it too.

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Posted by Wdodge0912 on Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:20 PM

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So looking more at this one, I think this is what I'm going to go with, with a slight modification. I would drop the 2 spurs on the bottom there, and make the oval part bigger, and make the hole a little bigger.

 

Then the only other thing I might have to change is the length of the yard on the top, i say might because I dont know how long of a section I will be able to have there. But it should be plenty long enough anyways

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:31 PM

 Leave off a few sidings, call that "future expansion"

Because the first rule of model railroading is, the layout will expand to occupy all available space.

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Posted by cuyama on Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:09 PM

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You don't have to install all of the track Byron shows, he's just giving you some ideas.  Install what you want.

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Posted by cuyama on Thursday, March 5, 2020 3:00 PM

rrinker
FOr me, I thinkt he hardest point is gettign the fill ine the irregular shape to leave the donut hole and fill in under the track within the outer perimeter in green like that.

I posted a new thread with a very crude video to describe how I do it (which is not likely not the only way ... or even the best way):

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/281216.aspx

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:51 PM

You don't have to install of of the track Byron shows, he's just giving you some ideas.  Install what you want. 

Make it one loop around with some industries to switch.

I guess you'll have to decide what you want.  It all depends on how serious you are about having a model railroad.

Maybe you could use the space to display your batteships, when they are not engaging the enemy.  A place you can tinker with them, instead of a cold garage.

You decide.  The forums will always be here.

Mike.

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