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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, July 8, 2019 7:25 PM

When I use grout I brush a very thin coat of white glue down and sprinkle the grout on it and leave it at that. If I don't like the colour I hit it lightly with the airbrush. I don't sprinkle water on top of it after as I think that takes away the granular look (fine grained as it is).

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, July 8, 2019 6:35 PM

Never messed with grout but I would try isopropyl alcohol

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Posted by corsiar on Monday, July 8, 2019 6:33 PM

I got somw tan grout ad have been doing some tests. Really like the look may need to get some darker for some contrast. Wetting the surface then spread the grout followed by more water gives the look I am after but these little bubbles are showing up and now it looks like lava rock. How can I get rid of the bubbles? My guess is my water is not wet enough.

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, July 5, 2019 4:58 PM

Woodland Scenics fine turf in brown or tan is a bit more expensive, but is safe.

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Posted by eaglescout on Friday, July 5, 2019 9:00 AM
Dirt and ballast are scenery materials I do not necessarily want to be in scale. I don't do N scale but dirt would essentially be powder not distinguishable grains. I want my HO ballast and dirt to be distinguishable grains at a normal site distance. If this makes my ballast 4-6" in scale rather than 1-3" so be it. My personal opinion, but I like the look better.
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Posted by bearman on Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:55 PM

AS far as Arizona Rock and Mineral is concerned, why don't you ask them?

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:31 PM

cowman

UNCLEBUT,

I can assure you that some dirt has metal in it.  Will admit that it was roadside sand, probably screened at one time, but my magnet was covered with fine metal bits that would have easily been picked up by a loco.

Have fun,

Richard

 

I agree that SOME dirt MAY contain SOME metal.

But; running a magnet thru it, is not the same as passing one above it. The moters in our locos are pretty mutch enclosed, protected. It would be pure magic for a pieace of metal to be pulled up and around all the cornors to get to the motor. then consider the fact that most ground cover is glued down.

Possible ? yes, but IMO unlikely I have never heard of it happening. I would think that having the shell off for any amount of time, on the bench, would be more of a problem.

I am sure, folks were using real dirt and stone long before someone decided we need something else to worry about.

BTW I was just on the Arizona rock& mineral site;  I did not find anywhere that they state that thire products are sterilized,baked, or ran thru witha magnet.

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:02 PM

In the past I have poured dirt over this magnet to see the metal content and I am glad I did. I also run it along the rails to find things like coupler and truck springs, bits of rail and a host of other bits that have escaped.

  

 

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Posted by cowman on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:54 PM

UNCLEBUT,

I can assure you that some dirt has metal in it.  Will admit that it was roadside sand, probably screened at one time, but my magnet was covered with fine metal bits that would have easily been picked up by a loco.

Have fun,

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:55 PM

York1

I will second what Brent suggested.

Often, the outside dirt from my area, even after sifting, is still not fine enough for N Scale.

If you don't have any grout mix, you can get a bag for a few dollars which will be enough for even a very large layout.

 
I agree with the suggestion of grout.  Around here, you can get a 1 lb. bag of it, in an almost endless variety of colours, for a buck.  A pound goes a long way when used for scenic purposes.
 
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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:09 AM

Personally I like zip texturing, you can sieve the material to any fineness you want before applying and looks real. I do this everywhere and then do anything else on top so no showthrough.

 

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Posted by York1 on Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:03 AM

I will second what Brent suggested.

Often, the outside dirt from my area, even after sifting, is still not fine enough for N Scale.

If you don't have any grout mix, you can get a bag for a few dollars which will be enough for even a very large layout.

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Posted by josephbw on Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:42 AM

Years ago my step mother gave me her old Braun coffee bean grinder. I still use it to turn garden clay soil into dirt dust that I use for scenery. Works great in HO, would work equally great for N scale.

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:34 AM

bearman
If you use real dirt, run a magnet through it and then bake it to kill off any very small critters which may grow up to be bigger critters.

 IMHO this is a myth, MR drama; The dirt I use is the same dirt that you carry in on your shoes and colthes,or pets,blows in thru open doors and windows. I don't live in a bubble. If there are bugs in it,they are now sealed forever in a white glue prison. Besides in my old house, a few more would never be noticed.

I have read and been warned about the metal in real material; but I yet to hear about it ever happening. I have used ballest from my drivewayfor years, some not even glued without issue.  YMMV

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Posted by bearman on Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:12 AM

If you use real dirt, run a magnet through it and then bake it to kill off any very small critters which may grow up to be bigger critters.  An alternative is an Arizona Rock & Mineral product named, oddly enough, "dirt".

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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:35 AM

Tile grout or/and thinset is good for simulating dirt. I use leftovers and paint it to match my geographic location.

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Posted by corsiar on Saturday, June 29, 2019 11:03 PM

Do you bake it to kill things living in it?

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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:55 PM

How about DIRT. I get mine from the garden and used potting soil. Let it get good and dry, run thru a coulple screens.

I'm in HO so you might need finer screens

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N scale dirt
Posted by corsiar on Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:17 PM

I am modeling the Cheyenne UP yard and it is mostly made of of dirt. What is good to simulate dirt?

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