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Posted by wjstix on Monday, March 11, 2019 8:54 AM

One thing that might not be obvious when you first start out is that although it can seem intimidating at first, it's actually much easier to wire up a DCC layout than a DC layout. With even a small DC layout, if you want to be able to run two engines independently, you'll need several blocks, each with a toggle to go between two powerpacks. With DCC, you can run both engines independently on the same track. Also buying two good powerpacks, toggles, etc. isn't going to cost much more than a good DCC starter system from Digitrax, CVP, NCE, etc.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Monday, March 11, 2019 8:44 AM

It seems that most layout books have plans that can get wired for either DCC or DC.  I started on DC to save costs and get me into the hobby.  After climbing the learning curve for DCC, I never looked back.  DCC forced me to become more attuned to details and consistency.  You definately have to ensure the wiring works with feeders, proper soldering, etc.

How you approach the hobby is yours to decide.  There's nothing wrong with starting simple and then tearing down.  On the 2nd layout (my current one), I apply lessons learned from the 1st one and enjoy a more realistic and larger layout.  Instead of tearing down, you can start on the original layout and then expand it later.  The choices on doing that are endless!

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:55 PM

I'm a fan of books and I suggest John Armstrong's Track Planning for Realistic Operatio, which has nothing to do with DCC.

If youtube is any indication, wooden skewers have replaced Kadee uncoupling magnets.  That statement is a little controversial, because some people don't like to poke sticks at intricately detailed rolling stock.

In the effort to be comprehensive, I think some of the DCC books are misleading.  You and your son are not a club with a dozen people operating.  You don't really need 4 or 5 boosters running separate power districts.  You don't need snubbers.

Blocks are not important in DCC, unless you want to park unpowered locos somewhere.  If you have a reversing loop, you do need to understand where to put insulated connectors. 

Wiring is not that hard.  You need a large gauge bus, stranded, because solid is not as flexible and 22 ga solid feeders.  Religiously stick to a color code in your wiring, don't use scraps of whatever you might have on hand.

Signaling is hard and expensive.  I haven't figured it out, myself.

 

 

Henry

COB Potomac & Northern

Shenandoah Valley

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Posted by spc337 on Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:41 PM
Thanks for the various links, all good info. Does anyone know where I can find a Track Plan that includes the necessary wiring? All the track database info I've come across is merely the track layout itself without any info on the supporting wiring. For my first build, I want to leverage an existing plan so I can learn each of the components and who to wire and control them. Then I'll focus on a larger buildout. Thanks
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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, March 7, 2019 6:59 PM

Hey Sean!

Welcome to the forums!!   Welcome

Here is a website that will help a lot, particularly when it comes to wiring turnouts for DCC operation:

http://wiringfordcc.com/

As the others have said, please feel free to ask your questions, the more specific the better. I have never built a layout myself (back problems) but I am heavily involved in building a new permanent layout at our club and the forums have been a huge source of excellent information. You will likely get different opinions in some cases about how to do any particular thing, but like most things, there is usually more than one way to do what you want.

It's great to see that you are doing this with your son. It will answer the question of what to get him for Christmas for several years!Smile, Wink & GrinLaughLaughLaugh

Dave

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Posted by snjroy on Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:48 PM

There are many good sources out there, such as this one:

4dpnr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DCC_Wiring.pdf

A few things to watch out for in DCC: power boosters, number of feeder wires, wiring return loops, and switches. As Mel says, specific questions would help the gurus around here help you.

Simon

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, March 7, 2019 5:22 PM

Welcome

I’ve been doing this for 70 years so I don’t remember having a learning curve.  But you have started out OK for both you and your son by joining the Forum.  Ask away.
 
As a new member your first few post will be slow as they are being monitored.
 
Lots of good info here.
 
 
 
 
Mel
 
 
My Model Railroad   
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
 
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Layout to learn with?
Posted by spc337 on Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:57 AM

I'm starting out with HO and looking to build a layout with my son.  While I have a technical background, I have little experience with DCC and layout wiring.  I've ordered various books to help me along.  What I would appreciate is any guidance on a layout (maximum size of 6x12) that will expose me to wiring for signals, turnouts, blocks, etc..  While there are some good layouts in the track database, none seem to have wiring instructions which would be helpful for me to learn with.  Maybe I need a simple layout to learn with and ultimate tear down and replace once I have the confidence for a more complex layout.

For my son, I want to make sure I'm not simply building loops rather create something with decouplers/yards so he can operate the engines to move cars around for greater imagination in addition to some larger loops.

I doubt there is an easy answer to what I'm seeking but hoping those who climbed this learning curve have a good idea on starting out.

Thanks

Sean

 

 

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