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New Layout Help
Posted by bugman9317 on Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:33 PM

I am starting a new layout and wanted to see if anyone could give me the best design type for my space. I was thinking a U shaped one based off of the long wall. I am still deciding between HO and N scale but would like to make the most out of my space.

 

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Posted by SouthPenn on Monday, March 12, 2018 9:17 AM

Welcome

I'm not a good one to give advice on your new layout, but there are a lot of talented people on this forum. They will be happy to help you but sometimes it takes a while for them to make a post. 

You can also look at the Track Plan Database.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, March 12, 2018 9:54 AM

Is the entrance to the room on the upper right wall?

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Posted by bearman on Monday, March 12, 2018 10:02 AM

What is that 8 X 5 area?

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Posted by bugman9317 on Monday, March 12, 2018 1:40 PM
Sorry the entrance is at the top right, but there is another door on the top left that goes out of the room. On the bottom the 8*5 room is a bathroom. I know my drawing is not that great. I am trying to get it entered into Anyrail..
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Posted by GraniteRailroader on Monday, March 12, 2018 5:54 PM

Bugman,

Where is the door to the bathroom? Which side is it on?

The door on the "right" wall, how wide is it and where is it on the wall?

Is this your first model railroad? You've got a GIANT space to work with, but I wouldn't suggest trying to fill it immediately.

Dependant on where the bathroom door is, that sort of changes what options you have for the shape of the layout. Is this space shared with anything else, such as your railroad work bench, a desk for a computer, etc?

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Posted by bearman on Monday, March 12, 2018 6:03 PM

You could install a very nice walk in U without running afoul of the doors, the bathroom or that pole and still have lots of room left.

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Posted by bugman9317 on Monday, March 12, 2018 6:23 PM
Thanks guys. Right now I have a standard 4×8 HO layout in my garage. This space is in my basement that I can use all of the space. I really enjoyed doing the 4×8 layout with my son but there is no room left upstairs to add anything so I figured this would be a great space. This will also be something we work on slow but I wanted to get a bigger picture of what it could be before starting on anything. I had it figured out to where we could do a big U and work it right around the pole but wanted to see if maybe I was missing something for a better fit. The bathroom door is right in the middle of the 8 foot wall and is a standard 32inch door. On the right wall is the door to my model room and there is 3 feet from the start of it to the back wall and the door is a 4ft french door that opens into my model room. Another thing I am debating is whether to do it in HO or N scale. I really like HO scale but also read posts that say you need a ton of space for a good HO layout. I'm not really stuck on one or another because we really enjoy doing the scenery and layout more than the trains, but I think I would have it easier with HO because of the size.
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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:48 AM

bugman9317
there is another door

Anything else we need to know, electrical panels, furnaces, water heaters?

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Posted by bugman9317 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:46 AM
Nope, there is nothing on any of the walls except the doors.
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Posted by PED on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:32 AM

Imagine a narrow hall along the 19' wall that connects the 2 east and west doors. Then imagine a wall that comes from the pole down to the 14" wall. That redefines your space into a smaller foot print but it accomodates the access to all the doors. Inside the new footprint, a U shaped layout would fit nicely. If you did not put up a wall on the 19' hallway, you could access both sides of that leg of the layout. You can also increase the flexibility of the layout by using a dog bone layout folded unto a U shape. With a balloon track at each end, you can have loops to run continuous trains. This is similar to my layout which is a folded dogbone in a 23' x 7'6 space.  I chose to go with N scale because it gave me a lot more flexabilityto work in limited space.

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Posted by bearman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:45 AM

You can put a substantial HO scale layout in the space.  I have beleived that there are two problems with N.  The first is that there is twice the amount of track to keep clean.  I hate cleaning track.  The second is that as time goes on eyesight fades, and handing the N-scale trains could be an issue, not to mention constructing the N-scale buildings, structures etc.

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Posted by Mike Kieran on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:47 AM

The main questions that I have are:

What kind of railroad are you looking to model?

What era are you planning on (it makes a difference with curve radius and turnouts)?

What kind of operations will be in it (yard, engine facilities, industries)?

If you do what's called a Givens and Druthers Chart, it may clear up some questions and give focus toward the design. A more detailed drawing of the room with regards to doors, windows, poles, and furniture would also clear things up. You don't have to fill the entire basement to build a good layout.

Also, is it a finished basement? This makes a difference in actual layout operations. Prepping the layout room ahead of time would pay off in dust and humidity.

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Posted by cuyama on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:03 AM

bearman
The first is that there is twice the amount of track to keep clean. 

Not if one exercises self-control in the design. Allowing relatively more space for scenery, large structures, running room  between towns, etc. is one of the strengths of N scale.

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The second is that as time goes on eyesight fades, and handing the N-scale trains could be an issue, not to mention constructing the N-scale buildings, structures etc.

Many fine N scale layouts have been built by older folks.

N scale is fine, HO scale is fine. It's a matter of prsonal preference. The Original Poster could visit trains shops and train shows to see each scale and make their own deicison.

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Posted by bearman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:05 AM

Byron, I could not agree with you more, it comes down to personal preference.

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Posted by cuyama on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:15 AM

bugman9317
Another thing I am debating is whether to do it in HO or N scale. I really like HO scale but also read posts that say you need a ton of space for a good HO layout.

You have enough space for either scale, depending on the era, theme, and the type of equipment you wish to run.

A U-shape or spiral peninsula design would likely fit well in either scale. Deciding on the elements you would like to include first will help you with a track plan and from that, the benchwork footprint.

Capturing obstructions like the post within benchwork is often the best approach.

Good luck with your layout.

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Posted by bearman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:20 AM

bugman, since it appears you are starting from scratch, I would second Mike Keiran's comment about the room if it is unfinished, ceilings, walls, floor, lighting and electrical outlets.  Man, I know some people who would salivate with the space you have to work with.

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Posted by Mike Kieran on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:21 PM

I'm one of them. May I make a suggestion about flooring. In the past, it has been suggested to install carpeting in the layout room. If I had a layout room, I would avoid dust gathering carpeting an put rubber mats like what's found in children's play areas/playgrounds. They are soft enough to walk on, easy to maintain, and give models a fighting chance when they take "the plunge."

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Posted by bugman9317 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:46 PM
bearman lol I know I'm worried about having enought space so I take it for granted. We put a second floor on our ranch home a few years ago, and this was our old family room that has not been used since the addition so now it can be our playroom. We talked last night about it and We are going to go with HO scale which will help me out. I do a lot of modeling of cars, planes etc in the workroom beside this space and I will have a really hard time with such a small scale. I am going to draw up a better layout of the room with Anyrail so it is easier to see and sit down with my son to do a Givens/Druthers list this evening. The one bonus I have is that everything is finished down there and the floor is carpeted, but I'll have to look and see how much those rubber mats would cost. We are thinking of doing Modern Era of the 60s-70s and realize that our stock will be dependent on the curve radius. I think my sons vision is to eventually have a section with some industries going past a city and then into the country side.
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Posted by bugman9317 on Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:52 PM

I had a bit of time to play around with Anyrail and made a better sketch of the room.. I am going to get the Givens/Druthers done tonight..

 

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