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HO Scale Mine Diorama
Posted by cascadenorthernrr on Friday, March 17, 2017 11:04 PM

Hi all, upon extensive consideration I have come to the conclusion that I'm am going to have to postpone building a layout till I have enough space so I've decided to build a 2x4 mine diorama instead. So I need some help finding some structures such as the mine itself I see that there are some out on the market but I want to kitbash them to create something unique. Any help would be appreciated.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, March 17, 2017 11:38 PM

Gidday Steven, have you subscribed to the "Model Railroader All-Time Digital Archive??


If not, do so immediately!!!

"Why?", you may ask.

Because along with lots of other really Good Stuff, it contains scale drawings and build articles of mines and associated mine structures; more than enough to fill yer boots!!

Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:08 AM

Steven,

Good advice from the Bear.

In addition to articles and plans on mines, check the ads out for mine structures that might be suitable. There have been a bunch of mine kits released over the years. You could go to the trouble and expense of tracking one that suits down on ebay, but most were simple structures and easy to scratchbuild, so don't limit yourself to what a kit does

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:34 AM

Hey Steven:

Sorry that reality has put a damper on you plans, but that's life.

I'm going to second Mike Lehman's suggestion about scratch building your own mine. Scratch building is a lot of fun, and it is very rewarding, and it is relatively cheap too.

Here is a small mine structure that will sit towards the back of the HOn30 part of my layout:

Obviously this is a very small mine but it suits the space that I have available. Like Mike said, mines are relatively simple structures so they are easy to scratch build. If you want more detailed suggestions, please ask.

Regards,

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, March 18, 2017 5:49 AM

cascadenorthernrr

Hi all, upon extensive consideration I have come to the conclusion that I'm am going to have to postpone building a layout till I have enough space so I've decided to build a 2x4 mine diorama instead. So I need some help finding some structures such as the mine itself I see that there are some out on the market but I want to kitbash them to create something unique. Any help would be appreciated.

 

I am surprised that you have yet to discover Google. I typed 'HO scale mine' and turned up more stuff that I can read in a day. Plus Google Images is loaded with stuff.

Once again, how about doing your own research and then come here with questions? Starting off with........"so I need some help finding" and "I want to kitbash......any help would be appreciated" kinda throws the burden on others.

You need to kickstart such a project. Time to get going. 

Rich

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Posted by mobilman44 on Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:08 AM

What changed your mind about building a layout?  

Its a shame to see all the time and effort members provided you with your track plan and structure ideas just go to waste. 

 

 

ENJOY  !

 

Mobilman44

 

Living in southeast Texas, modeling the "postwar" Santa Fe and Illinois Central 

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:47 AM

Steven,

Did you receive your Kalmbach coal railroading book in the mail yet???  R-E-A-D it!  It's going to answer a lot of your questions and will probably have suggestions as far as kits and kitbashing.  You can then come back with specific queries relating to what you're interested in.

To be blunt: It's getting to be a total waste of time for any and everyone to answer your questions when you're just going to scrap your B-unit kitbash/steel mill/logging/diorama plans for something else 2 days later.

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Posted by slammin on Saturday, March 18, 2017 9:17 AM

Steven,

I have Kalmbach's coal railroading book and it is excellent. I think you will find yourself reading it cover to cover several times. I look forward to you channeling all that youthfull exhuberance to something tangable. As you build your diarama take lots of photos. I'm sure all the fellows on the forum will be interested in your progress. If you subscribe to MR Video Plus, you might check out the Olympia Logging Series. The staff built a logging diorama. Basic construction should provide you lots of tips and ideas.

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:45 PM

HABS-HAER

Search for the type of mine you want.  Thousands of pictures and plans.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:54 PM

If I were to build a mine diorama, I'd make it two levels.  The first would be obvious one on top, with a New River Mine kit or something similar.  Below that would be a dimly-lit underground mine scene.  Walthers has recently released a set of non-operating narrow gauge tracks and cars which would make nice scenic elements both above and below.

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:09 PM

MisterBeasley

Below that would be a dimly-lit underground mine scene.

 

Back in the olden days, I would prowl the halls of the old red Smithsonian in DC.  They had there a stunning cutaway model of a mine with more galleries than a kid could follow.

I do not recall the scale.  Coal, I'm pretty sure.

 

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, March 18, 2017 5:18 PM

Chicago's Museum of Science & Industry has had a working coal mine exhibit, that You actually go down the elevator shaft, board a tram/train and ride to the working parts of the mine. Has been up and running since 1933. I must have gone into it at least 30 times and still enjoy it. My first experience was 1951.

http://www.msichicago.org/explore/whats-here/exhibits/coal-mine/

You really don't have to buy any books to find info, unless of course You like the books. There is literally hundreds of free videos and info out there, right at Your finger tips. Even Long History channel videos of all kinds of mining operations on Youtube, all free.

Hopefully....You will at least start this idea!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCsAI6ItU60

 

Take Care! Big Smile

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, March 18, 2017 5:29 PM

Frank, I've been there a few times with the kids, when they were young.  That museum is an awesome place. That's the first thing I thought of when I read about Mr.B's idea, which I think is a really great idea.

Mike.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, March 18, 2017 5:49 PM

mbinsewi

Frank, I've been there a few times with the kids, when they were young.  That museum is an awesome place. That's the first thing I thought of when I read about Mr.B's idea, which I think is a really great idea.

Mike.

 

And, a bit off topic, but the U-505 is also must see exhibit. So cool to walk through a captured German U-boat.

Rich

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Posted by jjdamnit on Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:12 PM

Hello all,

Check out this thread: http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/13/t/261815.aspx.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by cascadenorthernrr on Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:37 PM

First I want to build a layout but I am just going to POSTPONE a layout till I have more room/experience, second I want to start with a kit and add on and maybe mix a few kits, third the underground level is genius that's why I start these threads because I would have never thought of that I might take it one step further and make the mine tracks operable, fourth my books still haven't arrived.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, March 18, 2017 11:10 PM

Your right, Rich, the sub is cool. And don't forget the model railroad set up.  We toured the sub at the Manitowoc, WI. maritime museum,  and the space those crew members excisted in, amazing.

And, Steven, maybe you can build your 2' x 4' diorama as part of a future layout, as a modular unit, attached to other modulars, like the clubs do.

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, March 18, 2017 11:33 PM

mbinsewi

Your right, Rich, the sub is cool. And don't forget the model railroad set up.  We toured the sub at the Manitowoc, WI. maritime museum,  and the space those crew members excisted in, amazing.

Mike, we went in the Fall after the kids were all back in school. We also picked a weekday when there was no admission discount. That paid off because we darn near got a personal tour of the sub, hardly a soul around.

Rich

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Posted by cascadenorthernrr on Saturday, March 18, 2017 11:35 PM

That's right I'm probably going to build it as a module.

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Posted by mlehman on Sunday, March 19, 2017 3:06 AM

Hang in there, Steven. Whittling ones dreams down to something doable is part of the process. Thank goodnness most of the skeptics didn't have the internet when they were at this stage in the hobby or there might have been some rather odd results in evidence. As it is, their own sometimes embarassing excursions into dreaming future layouts are hdden by the sands of time in the non-digital world.

Mr. Beasley mentioned the non-powered light railway that Walthers is bringing in. Look to HOn30 (MiniTrains, formerly AHM/Roco?) for some operating light rail equipment. It turns sharply enough you can work in some operations on even a tiny layout. This website is a excellent source of ideas for thinking small.

http://www.carendt.com/

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:43 AM

cascadenorthernrr

First I want to build a layout but I am just going to POSTPONE a layout till I have more room/experience, second I want to start with a kit and add on and maybe mix a few kits, third the underground level is genius that's why I start these threads because I would have never thought of that I might take it one step further and make the mine tracks operable, fourth my books still haven't arrived.

 
Once again, search for HABS-HAER, then search for Kaymoor Coal Mine.  Diagrams, pictures, plans, color and black and white, interior and exterior.  Descriptions on how it operates.  You can buy all this info in a book you'll get next week, or you can get it free at HABS-HAER, now.

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Posted by cascadenorthernrr on Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:02 AM

Ok I'm going to the local HD to buy a sheet of plywood. The 4x8 sheet will be cut into two 2x4 pieces for the top and bottom levels, one 2x4 piece for the back, and two 2x2 pieces for the sides. the shelves will be spaced 1ft is that enough? Also should I get sanded or unsanded, and how thick? If you could please rush the replies, thanks.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, March 19, 2017 12:22 PM

A 4x8 sheet of 3/4 inch plywood is going to be very heavy, and if you are thinking of moving this around at all you will regret that.  Scenic materials like plaster will add even more weight, and that can be significant.

I'm a big fan of pink foam.  It's light and easy to work with.  2-inch thick foam is quite stiff and structurally sound as well.  if you add 1/4 inch plywood beneath it, you'll get some additional rigidity as well as protecting the bottom piece from damage.

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Posted by cascadenorthernrr on Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:05 PM

Ok I bought two 2x4 and two 2x2 sheets of 3/4" plywood so I should return them and buy a sheet of 1/2x4x8 foam board and a 1/2x4x8 sheet of plywood, and get HD to cut it into three 2x4 sheets (foam and wood) and two 2x2 sheets so a total of six 2x4 sheets and four 2x2 sheets of both. So they would be a total of 1 inch thick once laminated together. Would that work? Also should I use glue and/or screws to put the panels together?

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, March 19, 2017 6:19 PM

If you are building a 2x4 module, why not buy a 2x4 piece of plywood and 2 1x4x72 boards as framing.  You could by two 2x2x96 as legs.

Cut each 1x4 into either a piece 48" long and a piece 22.5" long or a piece 46.5" long and piece 24" long.  Cut the 2x2 into two 48" pieces.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:46 AM

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:54 AM

I use 2-inch foam.  The extra thickness gives it rigidity.  It also lets you dig down a bit for ditches and such.  I'd make a frame around the sides of 1/4 inch plywood to protect the edges, which will otherwise get banged up.

This is a liftoff section I built for my layout.  It's a block of 2-inch foam, protected on the sides and underneath with Masonite hard board.

Even with the track, bridge and scenery, the whole liftoff section is very light and easy to remove.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by olson185 on Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:11 PM

hon30critter

Hey Steven:

Sorry that reality has put a damper on you plans, but that's life.

I'm going to second Mike Lehman's suggestion about scratch building your own mine. Scratch building is a lot of fun, and it is very rewarding, and it is relatively cheap too.

Here is a small mine structure that will sit towards the back of the HOn30 part of my layout:

Obviously this is a very small mine but it suits the space that I have available. Like Mike said, mines are relatively simple structures so they are easy to scratch build. If you want more detailed suggestions, please ask.

Regards,

Dave

 

Given its pictured location, I'm guessing this is a copper, nickel, or zinc mine.

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Posted by dknelson on Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:17 PM

The best coal mine diorama I have ever seen, bar none, is in the library of the small Illinois town of Cherry, site of one of the worst coal mine disasters in history.  The fellow who built the model is an historian of the mine disaster (and a musician who has composed music about it) and he has put his model and prototype photos together into this very extensive website.

http://guitarjourney.tripod.com/cherrycoalminedisaster/index.html

follow ALL the links to the site on the left margin because there are many vintage coal mine photos.  I think you will find the story totally absorbing as well. 

Dave Nelson

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