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Modeling people
Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:42 PM

I never got around to populating my last railroad with realistic people.  Mine still stood on that little oval base.  I always thought the best way to mount people was to melt a piece of piano wire into their foot and glue that.

I saw a youtube vid from Ken Patterson, who makes his $ as a professional model railroad photographer.  He interviewed a competitor, who had a yard diorama, just track ballast and something that could pass for a road.  At the end, Ken showed himself taking pictures of an (at the time) new Athearn engine surrounded by people, which became the photo for the Athearn ad.

I doubt he poked holes in this guys diorama, maybe he ACC glued them in place, but I don't think I would have let him do that to my dioramma.  How else could these people be standing on their own 2 legs?

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:20 PM

I buy 1½” straight pins and super glue the figures to the head. Then use a #68 drill bit in a pin-vise to drill a hole for the pin to slip in to on my layout.  Having the figures glued to a pinhead makes them easier to paint, stick the pin with the figure in a pencil eraser to hold them for painting.
 
I glue most sitting figures to chairs and I use the larger head stick pins for painting seated figures, I cut the pins off with an Xacto #11 blade after the paint is dry.
 
A small strip of ⅛” thick balsa makes a good holder for the figures while the paint is drying.  The balsa strips make good storage for figures for easy viewing as well as protection.
 
  
 
By using straight pins to mount the figures they are easily moveable.  The #68 hole isn’t easily seen when a figure is removed.  I have approximately 800 figures mounted on pins on my layout.
 
 
 
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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:50 PM

I like to keep my people and animals movable just to keep things looking different on the layout. So I use lots of different methods to hold them. In the pic below, a man and his dog take a pee break at the elevator. No one has that much beer in them so I need to be able to get them back to work.Smile, Wink & Grin

 

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Posted by John Busby on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:35 PM

I use very few figures.

I prefer to sugest life around the railroad with such things as the bike leaning on the signal cabin steps ect.

I find a lot of the figures avalable spoil the scene because they look like they should be moving and of course they are static.

I don't also don't get the millions of people on the station platform iether as its only like that ten minutes at a time.

I have a grand total of seven carefully selected people on my layout and one waiting to be painted.

I am still looking for jack the station cat who will be curled up asleep on top of a baggage trolley.

None of my figures have a paving slab on them I have some unknown manufacturer rubery ones that a spray of artists varnish desolved the glue holding the base on they are just held in place with a tiny bit of PVA the rest are white metal figures with a spigot moulded on one of the feet so the have a hole they stand in again a little spot of PVA just to hold them in place.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:34 PM

Some sugestions I found for temporary positioning of figures,  I haven't tried any of them:

Allene's Tack-it, Allene's Flexible Glue, Beeswax, Morticians Wax, Holding wax http://holdingwax.com/hobbiescrafts/ , Woodland Scenics Hob-e-Tac

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:51 PM

I use the Allene's stuff, (bought at Michaels) it's like a wax, for tempory figures on my Christmas time lay out.  I use just a touch, making sure the "feet" are filed flat. and maybe alittle more for people crossing the street, as it looks like slush around the shoes.  I also use the same for my permanent layout.  I like to change things around.

Mike.

 

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Posted by kasskaboose on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:02 AM

To paint figures, I glue them w/ Testors to either a long piece of wood or cardboard.  Once painted and ready, I secure them to the layout again using Testors.  Any ground foam I put around them, but most of my figures are around industries which is easer to secure since there's not much ground foam. 

I recall one great MR article about weathering figures.  It's well-worth reading!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:40 AM

I'm another fan of Ailene's Tacky Glue.  It goes on white but dries clear.  Just a bit on each foot of the figure will do the job.  I support the figures until the glue sets up, just an hour or two, and then they will stay in place.  On the other hand, it's soft enough even after years of service that the figures can be removed easily without losing their feet.

Oh, and don't think you're stuck with the figures positioned as you buy them.  These are from a Model Power "bag of people."

Razor saw surgery, glue, some putty, sandpaper and paint gets you a new set of characters entirely.

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Posted by ed_n on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:42 AM

I have never put "scale" people on any of my previous layouts, and will not put any on my current layout (if I ever get it finished).

To me, scale people are by far the weakest link in model railroading. They look obviously fake - especially in N scale. We have very realistic track, locomotives, rolling stock, & structures, but scale people more often than not detract from what otherwise is a very realistic scene, in my opinion.

I can't count the number of times where I have seen a photo of a modeled scene, and you would be hard pressed to tell if it was a model, except the presence of "scale" figures was a dead giveaway.

Scale vehicles (cars and trucks) are the next weakest link. More often than not, to me they don't look quite right.

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Posted by Pi the train guy on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:04 PM
"With great power comes great responsibility!" That's the catch Frase of old Uncle Ben! You're awesome!!!
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Posted by Pi the train guy on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:14 PM

Here's a cheap and easy way, school glue!!!! Mega size Stick glue is the best, use tooth pick stick it on dries "speedy", and invisible!!!!! Usually purple, made by Elmers, and in all stores that sell school supplies!!! I use it because I rebuild my setup a lot, an it just peels off!

WARNING: Not suggested for extreme stability!!! 

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Posted by chutton01 on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:28 PM

ed_n
To me, scale people are by far the weakest link in model railroading. They look obviously fake - especially in N scale. We have very realistic track, locomotives, rolling stock, & structures, but scale people more often than not detract from what otherwise is a very realistic scene, in my opinion.


I dunno, and disagree somewhat - if decently proportioned detailed (sorry, Woodland Scenics) given a dark wash to accentuate the clothing folds and facial details (no painted eyes or lips, please, at least in HO and smaller), and dull coat, dull coat, DULL COAT (with Dull-Cote or equivalent; even if you're modeling a '80s dance club or '70s disco partier, gold lame and silver pants should only be semi-gloss at viewing distance), figures can look rather decent.

One piece of advice I read years ago concerning figures, and which upon reflection is fairly obvious - don't use figures in action poses (like running) if you can, use figues which are standing, sitting, lying down positions in situations where little movement for periods of time is reasonable (waiting on a platform, talking with somebody, reading, etc). Of course I have at least one such action figure, a Presier warehouse worker perpetually loading a sack of concrete onto a small cart - at least he's in a balanced enough position to theoretically hold that 60lb sack for a minute or so...

Putting drivers in cars situated in travel lanes is a given...except, well, the cars themselves don't move (can't really afford a faller vehicle system).

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Posted by fieryturbo on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 3:38 PM

I really wish I could get unpainted metal high-detail figures for my layout.  I'm pretty skilled at painting miniatures.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 7:06 PM

Too each his own!  I think figures add a lot to my layout.  I get lots of wows and ahs from visitors.  I have hundreds of figures on my layout most glued to straight pins so that they can be rearranged for different looks.  The straight pins drop into #68 holes for easy movement.  This is one of the visitors favorites.
 
 
 
32 figures outside the pool with 5 swimming and one that the camera missed, a young boy standing on a barrel peeking over the fence at the girls.
 
 
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Posted by jecorbett on Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:58 PM

ed_n

I have never put "scale" people on any of my previous layouts, and will not put any on my current layout (if I ever get it finished).

To me, scale people are by far the weakest link in model railroading. They look obviously fake - especially in N scale. We have very realistic track, locomotives, rolling stock, & structures, but scale people more often than not detract from what otherwise is a very realistic scene, in my opinion.

I can't count the number of times where I have seen a photo of a modeled scene, and you would be hard pressed to tell if it was a model, except the presence of "scale" figures was a dead giveaway.

Scale vehicles (cars and trucks) are the next weakest link. More often than not, to me they don't look quite right.

 

It's a matter of preference but I think people add a lot to a scene. They make it come alive. To me the biggest drawback is that they are stationary but we have the same problem with automobiles as well. Having said that, I still think scenes look more real with people in them than without. One thing I definitely won't do is try to animate a figure with some sort of repetitive motion. With few exceptions, anything that moves on the layout other than the trains looks toylike and unrealistic.

Another problem is that at various times of the day the population of scenes change. For example passenger platforms would be crowded at rush hour especially if you have commuter operations but at others they will be sparely populated. I split the difference so that it looks somewhat believeable regardless of the time of day.

As for the OP's question, I've used Woodland Scenic's cement that will hold figures in place but allows them to easily be pulled up and repositioned as desired. Most of my figures I just use ACC because I don't plan to move them around.

 

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Posted by Guy Papillon on Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:21 PM

I like to create small scenes with no more than two people. Non train related visitors ailways seem to focus on those scenes and they like them. Here are some examples :

Talking with the boss (the acetate base will eventually disappear)

Washing the pickup truck

Planning the work at the engine terminal

 

Guy

Modeling CNR in the 50's

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