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Spotting markers for undertrack magnets in a yard

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Posted by wvg_ca on Sunday, November 8, 2015 5:48 PM

for magnet location on my old layout [1960's], I used a bit of yellow paint on the raii side to mark .. on the new one [1890's] I use craft box  yellow glass tube beads with a pin in some areas, in other I use part of a small tree, cut at equivalent 6 to 8 foot height, a tree cut down because it's too close to the track ...if I look close I can see the supermagnets glued between the ties, they are not ballasted, just painted a close colour to the ballast..

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Posted by xdford on Saturday, November 7, 2015 8:51 PM

 I have just found this link in another forum showing an LED alongside the centre of the uncoupler

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13783&forum_id=6

So as a further development. and using the "blue flag" idea, if you "nearly bury" a blue LED alongside the uncoupler and power it with a push button so you can see where it is but otherwise it should not show ...

Just an idea

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, November 6, 2015 1:03 PM

crhostler61
One very realistic possiblity is a flip up blue flag. They are common on yard sidings both in engine service areas and car yards. They will be inclose proximity to the siding's switch and are often placed where a derail would be placed.

The only problem with using a blue flag is that, to remain prototypical, the blue flag must be removed to allow train movement past that point.  A yard with all of its tracks blue-flagged wouldn't be of much use in keeping the system fluid. WhistlingSmile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by rrebell on Friday, November 6, 2015 11:35 AM

Thought this thread was dead? But since I have not done this task yet, all info is appreciated! What era were the blue flags used?

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Posted by crhostler61 on Friday, November 6, 2015 10:13 AM

One very realistic possiblity is a flip up blue flag. They are common on yard sidings both in engine service areas and car yards. They will be inclose proximity to the siding's switch and are often placed where a derail would be placed. 

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Posted by cv_acr on Friday, November 6, 2015 9:04 AM

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tomikawaTT

My prototype (and, probanly, others) paints the tie at the clearance point yellow.  If that tie is over the end of the magnet closer to the turnout frog you've killed two birds with one stone.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

 

 

 

Glad to know this is a prototype practice since I had painted my rails for the same purpose. I used white but since the tie color shows through it is a little hard to see I'm going to try the yellow.

 

A yellow mark on the side of the rail at the clearance point/uncoupler is not un-prototypical either, and non-intrusive.

And a little more natural than a sand pile in the same spot on every single track in a large yard.

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Posted by jecorbett on Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:30 AM

tomikawaTT

My prototype (and, probanly, others) paints the tie at the clearance point yellow.  If that tie is over the end of the magnet closer to the turnout frog you've killed two birds with one stone.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

 

Glad to know this is a prototype practice since I had painted my rails for the same purpose. I used white but since the tie color shows through it is a little hard to see I'm going to try the yellow.

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Posted by xdford on Friday, October 30, 2015 7:08 PM

pennwest

One of my solutions was a small battery box.

 

Man hole covers at ground level as a corollary of that idea provided you can see the trackside on a shelf,

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, October 30, 2015 5:37 PM

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A small pile, or spot, of sand will stand out from the other ground cover and will not look out of place.

 

 Little spots of sand on both rails - conveniently where the loco starts up when pulling a cut of cars, and thus drops a little sand to help get started.

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Posted by rrebell on Friday, October 30, 2015 5:26 PM

pennwest

One of my solutions was a small battery box.

 

You seem to forget, its a yard with over a dozen uncouplers, a half dozen battery boxes in a row would look weird!

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Posted by pennwest on Friday, October 30, 2015 2:53 PM

One of my solutions was a small battery box.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 26, 2015 8:16 AM

I use switching limit sign posts by JL Innovative Design.

https://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/361-834

I place one next to each track where the magnet is located beneath the ballast.

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Posted by John Busby on Monday, October 26, 2015 8:10 AM

rrebell

I think I have a peice of code 55 rail (amazing the things that are thrown into bundles), everything else is code 70. What you think?

Sounds all right to me its smaller than what you plan on using do a test sign and see how you think it looks. 

Its as much about the right look as it is scale fidelity, and you won't know that till you make one.

Make sure it matches the hight of other RR signs you have on the layout.

If you don't have any the post wants to be scale 9' tall when measured from rail hight

so the train driver can see it, or the hight your chosen RR used.

Remember your creating a genuine fake RR sign so it needs to look like it tells the train driver something and belongs there.

No one needs to know its really for the 1 to 1 full size off layout driver

That rail will also be handy for un-protected level crossings where just a stop sign or similar and cross type RR crossing on the same post is enough protection can't think of the US name for those off hand.

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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:07 AM

I think I have a peice of code 55 rail (amazing the things that are thrown into bundles), everything else is code 70. What you think?

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Posted by John Busby on Sunday, October 25, 2015 4:37 AM

Hi rrebell

 My suggestion would be std "N" scale rail for the post

Being much smaller than normal HO rail it looks like recycled old rail. the railroads commonly recycle old worn or replaced low poundage rail into sign and fence posts or anything else it can  be made in to

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Posted by rrebell on Sunday, October 25, 2015 3:05 AM

Now that is the type of advise I was looking for and I do beleive I have some dry transfer U's I could use. Was thinking a punchout of styrene glued to a wire.

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Posted by John Busby on Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:58 PM

Hi rrebell

The best system I saw for this was a RR sign in line with the center of the uncoupler and instead of a W or SW on the sign it had a U.

The end result once scenery was all done was something that looked like it should be there, was not to obrusive but worked.

I have seen the switchman with lantern marker this looks good untill the the yard track is empty but the sign looks right every time.

If your layout is modernish give the sign a yellow background with a black U and have all other signs around it black on white

Avoid anything red as a marker in the RR world red is DANGER STOP!!! and just will not look right.

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Posted by jjdamnit on Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:28 PM

Hello All,

I've seen figures holding lanterns; toward the uncoupling magnet, to mark the magnet.

Currently I don't have any figures on my layout so I use a "fancy" turned toothpick to mark the center of the track mounted magnets.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:53 AM

It is quite common in yards to mark yard tracks with numbers on poles.  About 1 engine length (~4 inches) behind the yard track marker is the uncoupling magnet.

 

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:35 AM

A layout at a train show I was just at had signs saying "buried cable" across the yard ladder to indicate the magnets.

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Posted by Graffen on Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:14 AM

I used the same method as DoctorWayne, with fouling markers and magnet markers. It is very easy to understand for guest operators.

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Posted by NP01 on Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:49 AM

I use Doctor Wayne's idea for magnet and fouling point (switch clearing point) marker. My marker is a post brush painted white with about the last scale 1 foot in black. TTypically left side of track. 

I love the one bar vs two bars idea ... Although my 5 yo has been proud of the posts and that comlication might be too much for him and i would need to take the job away from him. 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:42 AM

I don't usually have guest operators, but if you do, using arcane methods to denote the location of an uncoupling magnet doesn't make a lot of sense to me.  It's one of the tools that makes your railroad operable, so should be easily visible and recognisable, too.  I opted for the simple post to differentiate it from the speed limit signs, flanger warning signs, restricted clearance signs, clear of restriction signs, whistle posts, station signs, etc., etc.

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Posted by cowman on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:39 PM

Don't know how "clean" your yard is, but you could put a bush/clump foliage at each location.  Out on the main or on a passing siding a tree could be used.  I have seen some magnets that come with a figure to use as amarker.

Have fun,

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Posted by xdford on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:31 PM

If you have a backdrop or scenic item you could have a variety of markers that you would know and you could teach your operators, for example a telephone pole that lines up "square on" to the middle of the magnet, a yard man standing conveniently between the centres (standard English spelling) of two magnets, a small rock outcrop, a small dab of white or yellow paint on the rail side, the leg of a billboard, the corner or window of warehouse, a traffic light post, a tuft of grass or an area of different coloured soil or a small slough or furrow between the tracks, a small yard hut, a path or road crossing the track just before the uncoupler area,  a manhole cover or small concrete slab such as a drainage inspection point...  it is what suits you...

Good Luck with it

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Posted by Bob Schuknecht on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 6:04 PM

A small pile, or spot, of sand will stand out from the other ground cover and will not look out of place.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:34 PM

My prototype (and, probanly, others) paints the tie at the clearance point yellow.  If that tie is over the end of the magnet closer to the turnout frog you've killed two birds with one stone.

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Posted by rrebell on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:53 PM

hornblower

I second Wayne's suggestion.  There are all kinds of similar signs and/or posts along prototype railroad tracks.  Mile markers, whistle commands, speed limits, mile markers, etc.  Many are warnings and mark the of locations of buried utilities and such.  Thus, a post here and there along your right-of -way would be perfectly prototypical.  

 

Note, I said yard, don't want too much of the same thing (about 12 magnets) unless it looks like it belongs. I am trying for as photo real as I can get as far as looks for my railroad, I have a long way to go but I am trying.

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Posted by hornblower on Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:29 PM

I second Wayne's suggestion.  There are all kinds of similar signs and/or posts along prototype railroad tracks.  Mile markers, whistle commands, speed limits, mile markers, etc.  Many are warnings and mark the of locations of buried utilities and such.  Thus, a post here and there along your right-of -way would be perfectly prototypical.  

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