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What street vehicle interest you?
Posted by CodyJ on Friday, September 25, 2015 8:02 PM

Hello, I am a resin caster.  For quite some time I have made tank kits.  A friend of mine who is a railroader want his style of vehcile to put in his layout.  I designed it in 3D and casted the vehicle.  He told me I should think about branching out and cast some HO or N vehicles.  Maybe add them to my model lineup.

 

That got me thinking.  Since I am not a model railroader currently I would like to know your thoughts...   So what kind of vehicles or items do you wish were produced?  

 

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Posted by big daydreamer on Monday, September 28, 2015 4:09 PM

I normally look at the Walthers website for vehicles and from my experience the selection of modern car models (in HO scale) is generally of European cars. I would like to see some more of the everyday American and Japanese cars and vans that are ubiquitous on North American roads.

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Posted by wp8thsub on Monday, September 28, 2015 6:12 PM

Daily driver type cars and light trucks that would be common in North America from the 1960s-1980s are lacking from the market.  Exotics, sports cars, muscle cars, etc. aren't needed.  We could use family sedans, station wagons, and pickup trucks.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:12 AM

1930's American cars.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:17 AM

Be careful with copyright laws, Ford and others protect their brand carefully.  But yeah, cars from the 1920s-1940s.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:25 AM

I’m a 50s guy, so you have your work cut out for you for a long time making commonly used American vehicles from the 1920s to current times.  The quicker the better.
 
An HO scale 1955 Kaiser would be a good starting point.
 
  
 
And, Have a good time doing it.!  https://www.1-87vehicles.org/
 
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Posted by DS4-4-1000 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:42 AM

Outside of GM and the one Ford on the market the city transit fleet is pretty sparce for anyone modeling the 50's or 60's.  I would like to see a Mack transit bus and an ACF bus (which could be kitbashed into a trackless trolley).

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Posted by chutton01 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:56 AM

As BMMECNYC stated above, licensing can be a big issue - I believe this is why Walthers has re-released the Boley International truck models, but not the GMC (TopKick) ones. This is also the reason, IIRC, why very few Japanese vehicle HO models have been released, otherwise the various die-casters would have released lots more Japanese vehicle HO models (besides that 1982 Honda Civic) around the turn of the century (of course, this is all vehicle modeler speculation).

What would be nice is more modern-era (post 1990) Transit buses of North American origin. I have a resin New Flyer model, and apparently 3D printed ones are being offered on Shapeways, but there are other transit buses not available as of now.

Speaking of which, have you made an inventory search of what's already available and being offered for sale on Shapeways, or even in resin, by small scale manufacturers?  Lets NOT have another 1957 Chevy situation (i.e. like 5 or 6 manufacturers offering the same thing)

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Posted by carl425 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:33 AM

wp8thsub
Daily driver type cars and light trucks that would be common in North America from the 1960s-1980s are lacking from the market.  Exotics, sports cars, muscle cars, etc. aren't needed.  We could use family sedans, station wagons, and pickup trucks.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 11:39 AM

Judging by the responses so far, it looks like everybody believes his own era is underrepresented.  I've previously heard that lament more from modern-day modelers than from others.   I'm sure the modern-era guys would appreciate just about anything you can cobble up to represent the 1995-2015 world.  For myself, I model 1952-3 in HO, which means I can use anything from any time period before that, as long as it's not too ancient.  I'm not aware of an available HO yellow school bus from the late 1940's, and that would be nice to have.

Most important of all, stick to the commonplace stuff.  Avoid the unusual weird stuff.  A modern modeler might buy several Ford Escorts or Honda Civics or Toyota Corollas, but no more than one Bentley or Ferarri or Lamborghini (if that many).  Broadening your market means increasing your sales.

Good luck.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 12:11 PM

ACY

Judging by the responses so far, it looks like everybody believes his own era is underrepresented.  I've previously heard that lament more from modern-day modelers than from others.   I'm sure the modern-era guys would appreciate just about anything you can cobble up to represent the 1995-2015 world.

Most important of all, stick to the commonplace stuff.  Avoid the unusual weird stuff.  A modern modeler might buy several Ford Escorts or Honda Civics or Toyota Corollas, but no more than one Bentley or Ferarri or Lamborghini (if that many).  Broadening your market means increasing your sales.

Good luck.

Tom

Some era's seem better represented than others.  Regarding "modern" lament - the post 1990 people have gotten some lovin from Atlas:

1993 Ford Explorers
1997 Ford 150 Pick up trucks
1996 Ford Taurus sedans

I echo Rob Spanglers comments.  I could use some 1970's common vehicles, especially for some auto racks - without breaking the bank to outfit one or two even!

 

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Posted by wp8thsub on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:38 PM

riogrande5761
I echo Rob Spanglers comments.

What can I say?  We must be kindred spirits, Jim!

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Posted by JAMES MOON on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:19 PM

I will side with Mel.  Grew up in the 50's and always liked 50's vintage Chevies, especially the 56 Bel Air two door hardtop.  I have a 55 Bel Air from SS Ltd Alloy Products waiting on painting and assemble along with a 53 Bel Air similiar to one I drove for several years.

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Posted by Regg05 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 3:38 PM

I represent modern era and that era is almost non-existent on the HO market except for European brands. Domestic automakers Buick Cadillac Oldsmobile, Pontiac and all Japanese models are pretty much extinct.  Would be nice to see vehicles from the mid 90s to current..

Pretty much why I'm using Hotwheels cars on my layout....Pretty closer to S scale but will work in a pinch if they're not being parked near garages, gas stations or anywhere where a HO car needs to fit in.

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Posted by chutton01 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:35 PM

HO & N scale modelers of the 1930s to early 1950s era have it made.
Why? Sylvan Scale models (I will link to a hobby shop's price list, as the offical Sylvan website has exceeded it's bandwidth at this time Oops).  Many different models from the mid 1930s (1934 Ford 4d Sedan, 1939 Willys Sedan, 1938 Plymouth Coupe, 1937 Hudson Terraplane and others (coupes and 2 doors as welll), so there you go Water Level Route. Sadly for RR_Mel, they have a 1947 Kaiser Sedan, but not a 1955 one (looks like the latest passenger car model they have is 1952).
Yep, they are Resin kits - what was the first line of CodyJ's OP in this thread "Hello, I am a resin caster"
Yep, they ain't cheap - sadly, the all too brief era of cheap die-cast HO vehicles sort of went away in 2006 or so, so hunt for those Fresh Cherries and Motorarts and Model Powers when you can.

BTW, will the OP ever return to this thread?

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Posted by mobilman44 on Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:57 PM

Hi,

Late '50s Pontiacs, and a '57 Ford ragtop will get my order in a flash!

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 2:58 AM
I've sent several messages to Classic Metal Works trying to convince them to make a school bus based on their 41-46 chevy Comercial trucks. Really nothing available for 40's school buses. Check out Google Images for pictures, In my opinion, a very neat looking vehicle with its rounded rear and cool grill.
Come on CMW, make a '41-'46 Chevy school bus!
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Posted by Water Level Route on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:57 AM

chutton01
Sylvan Scale models (I will link to a hobby shop's price list, as the offical Sylvan website has exceeded it's bandwidth at this time ). Many different models from the mid 1930s (1934 Ford 4d Sedan, 1939 Willys Sedan, 1938 Plymouth Coupe, 1937 Hudson Terraplane and others (coupes and 2 doors as welll), so there you go Water Level Route.

Great!  Thanks!

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:06 AM

I think so Rob - similar era's and likes - the D&RGW and WP pulled many of the same rolling stock.  And I have a soft spot for the WP too; I had a house mate in college in Sacramento who worked for the WP for a short time around 1979.  His father and grandfather both worked for the WP as well.  I need to beef up the WP freight cars in my fleet too - and try to identify more appropriate 70's era items to that end.  Just curious, have you ever built a list of HO products which are fairly good matches to WP prototypes?  When I first got Jim Eagers Rio Grande Color Guide, I went through many of the items on the roster against the available HO rolling stock - which of course led to a culling of a number of foobies.  But I am digressing a bit ...

Back on topic: There does seem to be a market for model specialty cars, but on a layout, mostly what we are trying to represent are the common place scenes so we need vehicles that suite.  Naturally with the open autoracks there is a ready market of late 60's to late 70's auto's and trucks we desperately need and hopefully semi affordable.  Those certainly can be used in scenes requiring them too.

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Posted by chutton01 on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:33 AM

riogrande5761
Back on topic: There does seem to be a market for model specialty cars, but on a layout, mostly what we are trying to represent are the common place scenes so we need vehicles that suit


OK, another IIRC, but a while back I read (either here or the yahoo 1/87 vehicle groups) that, at least at the time, the primary driver of the HO scale vehicle market was European collectors of the vehicles, who naturally want the more unique and interesting models - they don't need six plain 4-door Caprices sitting side-by-side in their display cases. The model railroad market played a rather small part (above rounding error level - but not much above).

But you say, we did have model Caprices and Crown Vics  - yes, because the collectors also wanted Emergency and Military Vehicles - that's why you can find, say model police cars in almost every livery out there (except, of course, for the towns and cities you model on your layout, because jinx). Why do you think Roco a few decades back released a model 1977 Dodge Pickup? Because the US Military used them as utility trucks (designated the M880), and Roco consequently marketed several different military configurations of said truck. At least at the time, the collectors market pretty much drove the releases.

The vehicle situation has changed some since then...at least I hope it did.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:44 AM

LION wants some R-1/R-9 subway cars.

Fishbowl beese are available, but have a biger price than the LION wants to pay.

ROAR

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Posted by wp8thsub on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:52 AM

riogrande5761
I need to beef up the WP freight cars in my fleet too - and try to identify more appropriate 70's era items to that end.  Just curious, have you ever built a list of HO products which are fairly good matches to WP prototypes?

Off-topic but nope - just in my head.  I use on-line roster shots and some print materials like my Jim Eager book.

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:34 PM
Also, alot of people model the 50's, you need some cars that would be from new to 10 years old. That means approx. 1949-59. I think there's a need for early 50's cars. There's really no one who makes an early 50's Ford or Chevy.
Come on CMW, make a '41-'46 Chevy school bus!
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Posted by wp8thsub on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:44 PM

Santa Fe all the way!
There's really no one who makes an early 50's Ford or Chevy.

Alloy Forms has a 1950 Chevrolet 4-door, and a 1953 2-door http://scale-structures.com/automobile-craftsman-kits-details/ .

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Posted by KemacPrr on Thursday, October 1, 2015 12:05 AM

Depending on licensing required I think the biggest market would be mid 1960's to late 1970's American 2 door/4 door and station wagon models of Ford , GM and Chrysler. Shipped on open bi and tri level flats the cars are very visble. Before the bi's and tri's most cars were shipped in boxcars and not visible and after the late 70's most bi's and tri levels had either side covers or totally enclosed like today. Weight of models needs to be taken into consideration along with cost since multiples will be needed to fill out the cars. If offered as loads also make a wheel/tire assembly that does not have hub caps as they were shipped in the trunks to avoid theft. Good luck ------- Ken 

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Posted by Seeker_CNY on Thursday, October 1, 2015 12:25 PM

I would like to see decent mid 1960's International Loadstar and Fleetstar truck cabs along with typical mid 1960's sedans. 

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Posted by Santa Fe all the way! on Thursday, October 1, 2015 12:56 PM
All due respect to Alloy Forms, but not quite the same as, say CMW. Thanks for the link though.
Come on CMW, make a '41-'46 Chevy school bus!
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Posted by chutton01 on Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:44 PM

Santa Fe all the way!
All due respect to Alloy Forms, but not quite the same as, say CMW.


I have the Alloy Forms T-Bird model from ages ago, and in fact it built up to a nice looking model. The pain is in painting, as I didn't have an airbrush back then (2 decades & change ago), and getting a smooth, glossy rattle can finish wasn't that easy (no YouTube How-tos back then, either).
They're charging 5.00 extra for models with an engine? Bit of a rip methinks...

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Posted by josephbw on Thursday, October 1, 2015 3:49 PM

60's 70's, & 80's regular passenger cars, pickups, semi cabs, straight trucks, & tractors, Please. Smile

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Posted by wp8thsub on Thursday, October 1, 2015 4:03 PM

Santa Fe all the way!
All due respect to Alloy Forms, but not quite the same as, say CMW. 

Hey, I tried!  As another post said, Alloy Forms kits can build up into nice models with some care in painting.  I don't think thy look bad at all compared to CMW.

I wanted to link to Sylvan Scale Models in my last post, but their site was down.  It seems to be back up now.  They have a variety of late 40s - early 50s GM vehicles in their line, including several each from Chevy, Pontiac, and Olds http://www.sylvanscalemodels.com/Vehiclepage%20new.htm .  I've only built a couple Sylvan kits, but I'm impressed with them.  

Here's Sylvan's 1952 Chevy 4-door.

Rob Spangler

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