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Turn outs for yards and spurs

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Posted by farrellaa on Sunday, January 4, 2015 10:02 AM

I have at least 5 #4 Walther's Shinohara Code 83 turnouts in my yard and all of my 2-8-8-2's and 4-8-8-4's go thru them without any problems. Two of the approach tracks to the turntable go thru these #4 turnouts, so I have to negotiate them quite often.

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Posted by singletrack100 on Thursday, January 1, 2015 3:32 PM

PK, I don't have any fancy brass or high dollar loco's but will offer what I can. My layout is all #4 Atlas turnouts. My loco's: Mantua and IHC 2-8-2's, Bachmann 4-8-4's, Mantua and Rivarrossi 4-6-2's, and an older Athearn Genesis 4-6-6-4, as well as a few other various smaller or smaller drivered steamers. All negotiate my turnouts fine whether going through divergent route regardless of direction.

You've already said you will build a test section which is great; definately can't go wrong that way before building permanent.

Happy RR'ing!

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Posted by PKRobbins on Thursday, January 1, 2015 2:41 PM

Jim-

You said the magic word/letters.  My 2-8-2 is a USRA light mountain, I'm using Atlas turnouts as well.  I'll build a "Test Run" section tomorrow and see how it goes.  If not I'll just have to wait for the elves in the brown truck to bring me some #5 or #6 turnouts.

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Posted by jrbernier on Thursday, January 1, 2015 2:27 PM
I have Atlas #4.5 turnouts on my yard ladder. My USRA 2-8-2 engines have no problem handling them. A 'Russian' 2-10-0 has no problems, but it is a small engine. Now, a PRR 2-10-0 with a long tender may be another issue!
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Posted by rrebell on Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:38 PM

I have a lot of #4 Shinohara turnouts and even Decopods are fine and have many 0-8-0's, not the same and I can not check at the moment but I probly run 2-8-2's also.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:22 PM

I'd also think about whether that 2-8-2 will be taking the divergent path on those turnouts.  I only use shorter switch engines in my yards.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:25 AM

For commercial turnouts, Paul nailed the critical point - the tight closure radius of an accurately-built (to NMRA spec) #4 turnout.  Atlas #4 turnouts were actually #4.5, which brought the key radius above 18 inches - adequate for most (but hardly all) mass market locomotives.

I hand-lay #5 turnouts, but my minimum radius is driven by some stiff catenary motors that get actively unhappy if forced under 24" radius.

One possible trick, since a 2-8-2 is road power.  Lay the arrival/departure track(s) with #5, then go to #4 for body tracks that will only be entered by a short-wheelbase switcher.  Embargoing long/heavy locomotives from certain trackage is certainly prototypical.

Another useful trick is to use a compound ladder - the turnouts are #5, but the ladder angle is effectively #2.5.  If your space is wide but short, that will let you lay a couple of additional classification/storage tracks.

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Posted by peahrens on Thursday, January 1, 2015 9:32 AM

I'll offer the following NMRA info for comparisons, namely Recommended Practices 12.0 (turnouts) and 12.3 HO turnouts, both pdf files you can open here:

http://www.nmra.org/index-nmra-standards-and-recommended-practices

If I interpret these correctly, the closure rail radii may be the critical spec of concern.  For a #4 it's only 15", where for a #5 it's a much more generous 26".  Maybe someone can confirm I'm looking at this data correctly.  Whether that's an issue for your mikado I imagine would depend on it's specs, but I'd guess many 4-axle steamers (like my BLI 2-8-2) certain specify 18" or more.  So it could be a problem.

Do note that you can compact yard turnouts somewhat by trimming the track ends so they butt together more closely, which I did with #5s in my yards.  So suggest make some #5 paper copies and play with same to see if #5s won't simply work where you want them.  But don't trim inside any jumpers (my Walthers-Shinoharas have jumpers you can see underneath).

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Posted by skagitrailbird on Thursday, January 1, 2015 9:21 AM

Some 2-8-2's will probably work fine, others not so much. I suggest you do a test. Build a temporary yard with a couple of #4 turnouts arranged similar to what you plan for your yard. You will find your answer then.

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Turn outs for yards and spurs
Posted by PKRobbins on Thursday, January 1, 2015 9:03 AM

Hoping to lay some track this holiday and have thought myself into a knot.

On main line my crossovers and turnouts are all #6 or #8 but in my yards and spurs I planned to use #4.  Will that give me trouble with a 2-8-2 loco? 

I know it might not look "prototypical" if longer cars are used but these are going to carry 1950's freigh and industry.

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