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New Ballast formula
Posted by eaglescout on Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:00 PM

Fed up with the high cost of ballast and the distance from my small town to purchase it I worked on a formula this weekend with readily available materials from Michaels and Home Depot.  For a crushed granite common to Montana mainlines I combined two parts each of Creatology Sand Sable Arena white and black from Michaels with one part Polyblend Natural Gray sanded grout from Home Depot.  Applied this to track the same as any ballast, sprayed with 70% alcohol (wet water could be used also) and dribbled on diluted matte medium.  The gray grout mutes the black and white sand to yield a realistic looking granite ballast for about $6 for three pounds.  The sand grains are in between fine and medium commercial ballast which I like for HO.  I want to see individual grains ("rocks") not so fine that it does not look like rocks.  I will be using this formula to ballast the expansion of my Great Northern/Montana Rail Link western Montana layout.

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Posted by Mavryk on Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:09 PM

This is a great idea. I'm going to try it. I also live in a town where all my name brand train stuff is mail-order due to the lack of a hobby shop in town. Anything I don't want to mail away for I have to create on my own. This ballast idea is exactly what I needed. I have both a Micheals and a Home Depot in town so I'll be putting your idea into action. I would imagine the grout will solidify after it all dries eliminating the need for glue.

Thanks for sharing this idea, Eaglescout. Much appreciated.

 

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:09 PM

 Got some pictures? This sounds like a great alternative.

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Posted by eaglescout on Monday, November 11, 2013 7:54 AM

Randy,

I have never been able to figure out posting pictures on this site.  All I can say is I held a piece of granite ballast picked up off the Union Pacific right of way next to my experimental track section and it blended in like the ballast actually came from that rock.

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Posted by Doc in CT on Monday, November 11, 2013 8:14 AM

I suppose one could just dye sand to the desired color instead of using the grout? (See Wiki-How  How to Dye Sand)

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Posted by eaglescout on Monday, November 11, 2013 12:08 PM

Doc,

Dyeing sand will yield one color which is fine if that is your desired effect.  However, my formula yeilds a tri-color mix which approximates crushed granite closer than anything I have see to date.  As I mentioned above,  when I held a granite rock from the Union Pacific right of way next to my ballast it looked as though it came directly from that rock.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, November 11, 2013 5:13 PM

 Get yourself a free photobucket account and upload the picture there. After that it's pretty easy to get it here.

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Posted by BIG JERR on Monday, November 11, 2013 5:43 PM

yes ; please post a pict. it sounds great

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Posted by eaglescout on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:57 AM

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k540/eaglescoutgary/20131112_110945.jpg

Not sure why the picture is not showing.  Rock on the right is the real piece of ballast picked up off the Union Pacific right of way.  Ballast is still wet with matte medium, so should dry a bit lighter.

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Posted by GGOOLER on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:01 PM

here you go

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Posted by BIG JERR on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:12 PM

Very good , You say its still wet ? is that the same stuff dry on far right

EAGLESCOUT ; now that you got your Pict's hostedWink to post all you do is 1. start a post or reply, type what your Pict is about THEN hit enter to start new paragraph 2. click {insert image } middle bottom of tool bar when composing post , a sub box well appear then 3. going to your hosting site on a nother browser page ,open "your picture album" and next to your Pict should be four boxes with labels marked, email&IM, direct, HTML & IMG ..I left click [direct} and I get (copied} appears,  THEN 4.return to your browser page with this site and your composing post and in the sub box (insert image) right click and hit " paste "...your Pict should be attached to your post.... JW

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Posted by eaglescout on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:02 PM

No.  Far right is not ballasted yet.  I will  post another picture tomorrow after it dries completely.

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Posted by eaglescout on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:20 AM

http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/eaglescoutgary/media/20131113_080659.jpg.html

Here is today's picture with the ballast completely dry.  Notice the actual piece of 1:1 ballast almost disappears in the center of the photo.  I still can't get the actual pictrure to appear, only the link.  Sorry.

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Posted by BIG JERR on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:39 AM

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Posted by BIG JERR on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:43 AM

very convincing ballast,color is dead on , my friend ,  Jerry

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Posted by bing&kathy on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:54 PM

GREAT LOOKING BALLAST! I have to write that down so when I get to ballasting I can use it. Thanks! That is what I like about this site, someone always has a better/newer idea.

God's Best & Happy Rails to You!

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:57 PM

I think all anyone else is doing ot make your pictures appear is copying the link, then using the insert image button. It's the one to the left of the one that looks like a filmstrip (which is for videos, like YouTube). You just click on that, and then a window should pop up with a field where you paste your link from Photobucket, adn that's it.

 There's a "How to post photos" thread that ran for a while on the main section.

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Posted by wp8thsub on Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:55 PM

BIG JERR

 
Scenic Express offers "blended" ballast with similar coloration.
 
This is their #40 grade product used in HO.  It's natural rock, which I think is dyed to maintain consistency between batches.

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Posted by eaglescout on Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:48 PM

Rob,

The Scenic Express looks very similar.  I see it priced at about $10 per quart.  My two main reasons in making my own is price (about half) and I don't have to pay shipping or drive 90 miles to Houston to try to find it.  That becomes a real pain and additional expenses if I run out and have to make a second trip.

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Posted by oregon shay on Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:16 PM

Both products deliver an extremely convincing and realistic look.  My days of using plain gray ballast appear to be over.  Thanks for sharing, guys.

Wilton.

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