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Posted by Trynn_Allen2 on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:21 AM

Well depending on how good your MS Word-fu is, you could CMYK or RGB the color and find the appropriate font.  Make a box, fill it in, Type out the number, print and very carefully cut and then paste the number to the car.

 

It's not the best option, but it's an option.  You could also make your own stencil this way.

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Posted by bearman on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:28 AM

If I dont need an exact match, and if numbers are changed all the time, then Dr. W, your method is the way to go.   Now all I have to do is find an acceptable stencil.  Every time I use decals, I just foul everything up.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:29 AM

There's certainly nothing wrong with bringing the car to the store, and it may help you to find a closer or exact paint match.  This assumes, of course, that the paint is a type and colour available to the consumer, as I doubt very much that drums of PollyScale or Floquil paint are taking sea cruises to China.  Also, paint in the bottle, or on a colour chart, and especially on a colour chart on a computer screen doesn't always look the same as the same paint dried on the model. 
Using the method which I described, I doubt that you'll need any paint for what you wish to do.   If you plan to paint-over the existing numbers, and expect to do more renumbering projects, why not simply buy three of four bottles of similar shades, then mix your own matches to each particular car? 
This is one of those simple tasks that becomes more and more difficult to do as one continues to think about it.  Many of these jobs never get done because of this.  Smile, Wink & Grin


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Posted by NeO6874 on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:45 AM

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Here's an idea. Bring this car along the next time you visit your LHS, preferably one that stocks Floquil or Polly Scale paints. Then simply match the car with the correct shade of paint.  You could also try using the color chart for aforementioned paints in the Walther's reference book.

Good idea there, Bob, to which I'd add -- make it known you are bringing your freight car TO the shop or you might be challenged when you try to take it OUT of the shop.  When bringing bolts or nuts to the local hardware store looking for matches I am sometimes given the buffalo eye when I leave with my own stuff.

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Yeah, I usually start those days with "I'm trying to do [whatever] to [model] ... any suggestions?" and eventually the conversation turns to "oh yeah, it's out in the car".

Alternatively, when the owner isn't with another customer (i.e. the store's empty), I'll just start the convo with "so, i have this here model and I'm trying to do [whatever]"

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Posted by dknelson on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:33 AM

Bob grech

Here's an idea. Bring this car along the next time you visit your LHS, preferably one that stocks Floquil or Polly Scale paints. Then simply match the car with the correct shade of paint.  You could also try using the color chart for aforementioned paints in the Walther's reference book.

Good idea there, Bob, to which I'd add -- make it known you are bringing your freight car TO the shop or you might be challenged when you try to take it OUT of the shop.  When bringing bolts or nuts to the local hardware store looking for matches I am sometimes given the buffalo eye when I leave with my own stuff.

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Posted by Bob grech on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:41 PM

Here's an idea. Bring this car along the next time you visit your LHS, preferably one that stocks Floquil or Polly Scale paints. Then simply match the car with the correct shade of paint.  You could also try using the color chart for aforementioned paints in the Walther's reference book.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:04 PM

I sometimes change the numbers on a single purchased car just so they're not the same as everyone else bought, but more often than not, I re-paint and re-letter the entire car, often after modifying the car to some degree.
I have a friend who bought several similar cars (same road name and number) and wanted to keep the road name but alter the numbers.  The most difficult part of this exercise is finding numerals in the same style and size as the originals.  I have a pretty good selection of decal and dry transfer alphabet sets, but I also save useable stuff from lettering sets made to do a single car.  I usually store the latter stuff together, so it takes some sorting to find something suitable, but uses-up less storage space.  So far, he hasn't been able to stump me, but I'm not above attempting to hand-paint a digit or two, if necessary.

If you've got suitable replacement numerals available, be selective in choosing the ones to change.  Your car appears to have a five-digit number, so unless you know your prototype, don't touch those first two digits (and in a six-digit number, leave the first three).
The best one to change, in my opinion, is the middle one of the remaining three, but if you have a number of cars to be done, vary the one (or ones) which you change.
I prefer to remove the existing lettering rather than paint over it, as painted-over lettering often leaves a three dimensional "shadow" which can be very evident under certain lighting conditions.  For this, you can use a chemical stripper such as 99% alcohol or PollyScale's Easy-Lift-Off, or you can use a mechanical method to remove random digits.  If the chemicals won't easily remove the lettering (often, they'll remove the surrounding paint well-before affecting the lettering) I like to use an X-Acto #17 blade to scrape away the numerals.  Hold the blade perpendicular to the surface, with the non-tapered edge leading, and while applying light pressure, scrape across the numeral, being careful to not tip the blade from side-to-side, too.  With care, you can remove the lettering without gouging the paint (I once de-lettered six entire cars using this method) but if you do, use a similar colour to do the touch-up.  Notice that I said "similar" rather than "same":  if you hope to match the colour of every car you wish to re-number, you'll need to either buy a lot of different paints or learn to mix the colours you need from paints which you have on hand.  Don't assume that the cars will all be painted with paints or colours which are available to the consumer.
Once the paint has cured (usually 24 hours), you can apply the new lettering, which will immediately draw the viewer's eye away from the background colour.  This may be because the new digit is of a different colour intensity than the rest of the lettering or simply because the new letter blends in well with the remainder of the original lettering.   If the case is the former, I like to use a brush to apply a severely-thinned coat of an earth tone - grey, brown, or even the colour you used for touching-up scrapes incurred while removing the original numbers.  The key is to thin it severely, at least 90% thinner. Make a single pass of the brush over each too-bright numeral, and let it dry.  In most cases, this will tone-down the offending characters enough to continue with the next step, which is weathering.

To lightly weather most cars, the easiest procedure is to overspray the entire car with a colour similar to the colour of the car, making sure that what you're spraying is mostly thinner (this works with both lacquer- and water-based paints).  The effect is to simply tone-down the brightness and distinct outlines of the letters and numbers - the car won't look weathered, but it won't look like it just rolled out of the paint shop, either.  Add a little road dust and grime along the lower edges of the car and its running gear, and you've got a car which has seen a few miles. 
You can, of course, take weathering a whole lot further, but that's a topic for another discussion.


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Posted by CTValleyRR on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:51 PM

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Dr.W, I was afarid someone would ask me the Why question.  Actually, I have two of those stock cars and spaced it when I bought the second one which has the same rcar number as the first stock car.  So, I was thinking of getting some paint and eliminating one number on either end of the car number, so I would have that second car with a different road number.  

I was afarid too... but I got better.  Big Smile

Actually, this is even better for you.  Prototype railroads change reporting marks all the time, and they're seldom very careful about the paint they use to do it.  A patch of black with white letters is not uncommon, nor is a close but obviously different match.  Just try to get a clean line around the area and a legible stencil, and your car will look very realistic.

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Posted by bearman on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:39 PM

Dr.W, I was afarid someone would ask me the Why question.  Actually, I have two of those stock cars and spaced it when I bought the second one which has the same rcar number as the first stock car.  So, I was thinking of getting some paint and eliminating one number on either end of the car number, so I would have that second car with a different road number.  

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Posted by doctorwayne on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:13 PM

It looks closer to "Southern Freight Car Brown" to my old eyes. Smile, Wink & GrinLaugh


I'm curious as to why you'd want to know:  are you planning to paint other cars to match it, or simply wishing to touch-up some areas on that particular car? 
If a car's safety appliances (grab irons, ladders, sill steps, etc., etc.) needed repairs, the railroad on which the car happened to be at that time was required to perform the work. The shop would use whatever paint they normally used for such work, so it wouldn't necessarily match that on the rest of the car. 
I replace many of those details on my rolling stock with metal parts, and while I think that it improves the appearance, they don't look so hot if the paint gets damaged.  Every once in a while I gather-up all such cars and use a brush to touch-up the missing paint.  I simply select one of several colours in my paint cabinet which looks approximately the same, then do all cars using that colour.  The next session may or may not use the same paint.
In my modelling era (late '30s) cars began to receive a second grab iron on the left end of the car's side.   While most cars come with that feature, I often replace only the bottom one, eliminating the top one completely.  On some other cars with two grabs in place, I'll paint the upper one on a weathered car with fresh paint of a slightly different shade, indicating  a recently-updated car.


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Posted by NeO6874 on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:06 AM

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bearman

Thanks, guys.  I was not aware that there were some color charts on line.  Looks like it is the Floquil Boxcar Red or Tuscan Red.

Could be freight car brown..

Embarrassed That's the color I was thinking of when I said "Boxcar Red", hahahaha

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:49 AM

bearman

Thanks, guys.  I was not aware that there were some color charts on line.  Looks like it is the Floquil Boxcar Red or Tuscan Red.

Could be freight car brown..

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Posted by CTValleyRR on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:52 AM

bearman

Thanks, guys.  I was not aware that there were some color charts on line.  Looks like it is the Floquil Boxcar Red or Tuscan Red.

Just about EVERYTHING (including a lot of things you'd rather not see) is available on line, if you know where to look.

Go to the Megahobbies website (http://www.megahobby.com/Megahobby-plastic-model-paint-store.aspx) and select the type of paint you're looking for.  For several common brands, when you click on the image for a "close-up" of the bottle of paint, you get the color chart.

The Testors (and therefore Floquil / Pollyscale) color charts are also available on the Testors website (http://www.testors.com/model_and_hobby).

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Posted by bearman on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:30 AM

Thanks, guys.  I was not aware that there were some color charts on line.  Looks like it is the Floquil Boxcar Red or Tuscan Red.

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Posted by Train Modeler on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:00 AM

As you know, to match it exactly might involve starting with the above referenced colors and then tinting by trial and error to match exactly.

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Posted by dknelson on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:20 AM

Tuscan Red or Mineral Red are good guesses.  Most RTR models use proprietary colors that are not easily matched except by trial and error.

I do not have my Walthers catalog nearby as I type this but isn't there a paint color chart for Floquil and perhaps other colors in the catalog?

There are also some online paint charts but there things can vary so much by how your screen is set up that I'd be reluctant to rely on it too much.  But they might be helpful

MicroMark has this one for Floquil

http://www.micromark.com/colorcharts/floquilchart.htm

And this one for Polly Scale

http://www.micromark.com/html_pages/misc/pscalechart.jpg

Badger has one too

http://www.badgerairbrush.com/library/Paint%20Chart%20Images/Railroad%20Colors.gif

 

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Posted by NeO6874 on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:58 AM

Can't really tell from the photo .. looks like the generic "boxcar red" color used on a lot of boxcars of that era.

Quick google search shows that they used "Mineral Red" or possibly "Tuscan Red" ... but that's from google, and I'm by no means a modeller of western roads (or eastern atm, due to space Crying)

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What is this color?
Posted by bearman on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:51 AM

This is a Bachmann ATSF 40' stock car, and if anyone knows what this color is called, I sure would appreciate being edified. 

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