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Cork/wood sub-roadbed interface - Glue ?

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Cork/wood sub-roadbed interface - Glue ?
Posted by Georgia Flash on Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:06 PM

 Am at the point where cork roadbed gets "glued" to wood sub-roadbed and/or plywood table top. Should I just use white/carpenter's glue; or is there a recommended alternative adhesive? And...

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:17 PM

latex caulk

 


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Posted by Allegheny2-6-6-6 on Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:18 PM

 Yellow carpenters glue, haven't tried it yet but from what I've read you need to get a specific type of latex caulk

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:37 PM

Specific type? Well, if the "cheapest stuff they have" is being specific, then yes, specific types.

You might prefer a certain color, but being that this is for the roadbed to the surface, you'll never see it. For track to roadbed, you might prefer the clear, which comes out white and dries clear, or possibly grey if you are using grey ballast, so if any shows through it will be the ballast color.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:14 PM

I used yellow carpenter's glue, but white glue will also work.  I worked to a drawn centreline, and used 2 1/2" nails to tack it in place, especially on curves.  (I had most of a 50lb. box of nails left over from building my house and they were handy. Wink  Tap them just slightly into the plywood sub-roadbed, and when the glue dries, you can pull 'em out by hand.)  Don't skimp on the nails, either, unless you want to end-up sanding all of the cork - if it doesn't sit level on the plywood and where it's placed, tack it.

I used Atlas flex track and turnouts, and Atlas track nails to fasten the track in place, soldering all of the rail joiners as I went along.  The advantage of the nails over caulk is that you can make adjustments in alignment long after the track is in place, giving you lots of time to thoroughly test operation or to compensate for any seasonal variations that might occur.  When you ballast, the nails can be removed, although I didn't bother. 

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Posted by Doc in CT on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:13 PM

Allegheny2-6-6-6
but from what I've read you need to get a specific type of latex caulk

 

I think that would only apply if gluing to foam;
Something like DAP All Purpose Adhesive Caulk or equivalent would work on wood.  It stays tacky for about 15 min so you have time to make small adjustments (and holds track for straight runs).

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Posted by ratled on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:03 PM

I used yellow carpenters glue.  Buy it by the gallon for about $10 at the big bix store. It's as cheap and good as you can get.

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Posted by dstarr on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:09 PM

 For cork to wood  white or yellow glue works well.  You can also use latex caulking compound of any brand.  You do want to hold the cork down with brads or drafting pins or weights or whatever until the adhesive dries. 

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Posted by RailfanS on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:50 PM

Well, I don't haven't glued wood to cork but...

White Elmers glue works to glue foamboard to plywood and cork roadbed to foamboard. It makes a strong connection (as long as you let it sit overnight) and is almost as cheap as it gets, you can get a gallon jug at your local Lowes, Home Depot, ect. for about $12 and it should last you awhile.

I assume it'll work to bond wood and glue to.Just my My 2 cents,

Jamie 

P.S. using carpenter's wood glue sounds like a good idea to.

 

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Posted by Wazzzy on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:55 PM

latex caulk is the best; imo. very easy to work with and will provide a 'give' to its holding power for climatic changes affecting the rails/ties. latex caulk is easy to remove if you need to change the track location. a caulk gun and a 2" flexible spatula are the only tools needed to lay a bead of caulk.

glues will work, but they tend to dry hard and become brittle over the years. it will work and give you the instant result you are looking for, but in the long run (several years down the road) the glue will become brittle and will loose its 'holding' powers.

 

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Posted by cudaken on Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:11 AM

 Caulk user my self, I just so happened to pick up 2 tubes from Wall-mart Wednesday for $1.22 tube. I all so use the caulk to hold foam together to make hills. 

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Posted by cedarwoodron on Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:34 AM

I was asking this very same question last spring and received a variety of responses, ranging from white glue or woodworker's yellow glue through use of DAP ALEX adhesive caulk.

In the end, I decided on- and used- standard contact cement (DAP or Weldwood) on sheet cork that was being applied to a plywood table top substrate. I have my layout in progress out in a Florida humid climate- but dry garage environment, although there is A/C pumped in when the door is closed.

I applied the contact cement to both the sheet and the wood surfaces, waited 25 minutes to allow the cement to dry to a tacky feel, then used long 1/2" diameter dowels to allow me to position the sheet and slowly J-rolled the cork down onto the wood. I then trimmed the edges of the cork where it overhung the table dimensions and have had no problems since regarding adhesion or movement of the cork. I rolled as I removed the dowels, being careful to avoid air bubbles. At the end of the process, i re-rolled the edges to ensure contact. i then waited a bit more to do the edge trimming.

The cork I used was 1/4 inch cork sheeting from Home Depot- such as is used as underflooring in a kitchen or den room. I have found that I was lucky at that time, as many HD's no longer stock this item in roll form, at least in west central Florida.

I am placing cork roadbed on the cork surface where main lines and such are located, but laying track directly on the sheet surface where railyard and side tracks are located. For this, I am using the ALEX adhesive caulk, which many others have recommended. Make sure that the caulk is spread thin with a plastic drywall tool or just a piece of styrene, to ensure best adhesion, and avoid unsightly build-up between ties.

 

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, September 18, 2009 10:33 PM
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 Yellow carpenters glue, haven't tried it yet but from what I've read you need to get a specific type of latex caulk

No specific brand but I do avoid the silicone based adhesive caulks for track laying purposes mainly because I don't care for the slightly oily feel and you aren't looking to seal or waterproof anything. 

I use the standard latex adhesive caulk that comes out white and dries clear.  You spread it to a thin coating. 

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