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Filling Backdrops

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Posted by CascadeBob on Friday, June 5, 2009 8:11 AM

For what it's worth, I used Behr brand Enamel Undercoater Primer & Sealer White No. 75 from Home Depot to prime my hardboard.  I used the Behr brand because I was using their flat wall paint for my sky blue color.  I found that it took 2 coats of the primer to keep the dark brown color of the hardboard from showing through.  A friend of mine used Kilz primer and I believe he found that it also took 2 coats with this product.  I applied the primer with a 9" Purdy brand 3/8" nap roller.  Immediately after applying the primer while it was still wet, I went over the primer with a 6" Whizz brand high-density foam roller that I got at Lowes to get a very smooth surface.  If you decide to use these foam rollers, you should wet them first with tap water and squeeze out the excess before you put them in the primer.  I use them only to smooth the primer surface, not to apply it.  If too much primer gets on the roller as I use it to smooth the surface, it will start to slide on the surface.  When this happens, I roll the roller on a piece of dry paper towel to get off the excess primer.  Also you should be aware that as you use them, the primer will start to harden on the end of the roller and this dry primer will come off in pieces and become embedded in the primer coat.  To reduce this problem, I wrap the roller in wet paper towel and aluminum foil between uses.  When the dried primer starts to accumulate on the end of the roler, as it will, I pitch it and use a new roller.

Hope this helps,

Bob

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Posted by JGray on Friday, June 5, 2009 6:31 AM
Thank you Bob!!! Your response is exactly what I was looking for. My layout is also in a climate controlled space, but I am still aware of the hardboard's tendency to absorb moisture. It was just dumb luck I guess, but I pretty much have done as you advise. I did not prime the hardboard prior to installation (wish I had thought of that), but I do intend to prime with Kilz after filling and sanding the joints/screw holes. The joints are on 2x1 posts fastened to the table for rigidity. I used Titebond to attach the hardboard to the posts, then countersunk #10 x3/4" wood screws. On the bottom edge, I did a similar thing using wood cleats spaced about every foot. Since my layout is to model coal operations in the Appalachians, the backdrops will be further buttressed by plaster mountain sides. The backdrops are fairly rigid, but I had concerns about "mud" spackle and tape cracking over time and ruining my sky/clouds art work. The DAP vinyl spackle is what I will do to provide filling and flexibility to the joints and screw holes.
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Posted by CascadeBob on Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:38 PM

I recently completed the final installation of my backdrop panels which were made from 1/8" thick hardboard.  I primed both sides before I installed them to seal the hardboard from moisture.  I used the method described in Jeff Wilson's book on benchwork construction for doing the joints in the hardboard, i.e., I used a backer board to which I glued (yellow carpenter's glue) and screwed both sides of the joint.  After the glued had set (approximately 24 hrs), I used DAP brand vinyl spackle based on the recommendation of Joe Fugate in his scenery video.  No joint tape was used on the joints.  The vinyl spackle is more flexible than drywall mud and thus is more resistant to cracking.  I had to put two coats of the spackle on the joints and screw heads to get a smooth coat.  I sanded between the coats and after the 2nd. coat had dried to get a smooth finish.  Since I had primed the hardboard before I installed it, I only had to spot prime the spackle on the screw heads and joints.  In the several months since I completed the spackling, I have seen no signs of cracking at the joints.  I should say that my train room is in climate-controlled space in my basement.

Bob

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Posted by dante on Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:28 PM

You might consider embedding drywall mesh tape in the joint compound (spackle) used to cover the joint, just as though you are finishing drywall.

Dante 

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Posted by MPRR on Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:28 AM

Spackle will work, or you could fill the holes in with toothpaste. Or putty.. Just sand whatever you use smooth, and you shouldn't have any problems.

Mike Captain in Charge AJP Logging RR
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Filling Backdrops
Posted by JGray on Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:22 AM
I'm new at this and am building an N scale layout. I have the bench work done and covered with plywood. I am about to finish installing the backdrops. I used 1/8" hardboard for the backdrops because I wanted to curve them around the corners. My question regards filling the seams and screw holes. Is ordinary spackle (sp?) OK , or is there something more flexible that I should use? I intend to paint the backdrops with Kilz primer then do blue sky with clouds. Thanks Jim

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