OK, here's what is supposed to be my "final" plan.
Famous Packers players whose names I used (left to right):
Forrest Gregg
Paul Hornung
Ray Nitschke
Vince Lombardi
Don Hutson
Earl L. (Curly) Lambeau
Max McGee
Tony Canadeo
Reggie White
The Medman's pharmacy is something we do on Nscale.org to honor a fallen member who's display name was Medman.
Future Hall of Famer Brett Favre is represented in the town's name. Bart Starr is represented in the town's name further down the line.
i will make a list of the different structure kits that I will need to purchas, as well as the track etc., and develop th operational plan.
Sawyer Berry
Clemson University c/o 2018
Building a protolanced industrial park layout
sschnablSawyer, You've got to include an Acme Packing plant with rail service. That's who the Pack was named after anyways. Stock cars coming in, reefers going out. Maybe hides going out to a leather company.
Sawyer,
You've got to include an Acme Packing plant with rail service. That's who the Pack was named after anyways. Stock cars coming in, reefers going out. Maybe hides going out to a leather company.
Actualy, wasn't it the India Packing company? I'm not sure; ain't brushed up on my Packer history, lol.
I would, but then, that would look extremely outta place in the Southeast (at least, I tihnk)
Well, I'm going to cut a few feet off, but then, my whole plan has pretty much gotten the green light by my parents, and I think this thread has probably run its course in helping my design this layout, so I'll go ahead with my plan and build it.
Next up for the F&S: history & operating scheme, then lsit of materials
I love old football war stories . Ugh, which one should I tell..I will tell about ole 'cheap shot'. Anywho it was towards the middle of the game, plays over, everyones walking/running back to their perspective huddles. The little dink came running up behind and just squared me right in the shoulder. That wasn't really a cheap shot but what made it a cheap shot was he did it behind me! I wanted to run over the ref. The other player ran off, I stopped, looked over and saw a ref watching this whole thing, he didn't do crap. I even did the arms-spread hands-in-the-air football protest. Nothing. Finished my defense series, sat and watched the offense do there crap, then went back on defense. They ended up getting a first down, then went 2 plays. We were linning up for the 3rd play (by this time I was already at the side line and got the number of the little twink). Ball snapped, I plowed right through the gaurd, literally, and guess who I see running in my direction. It was good ole 'cheap shot' lil twink. Well he was running full bore towards me, it was a run fake, and I redirected myself. Well in about 2 seconds he realizes a defense player is bearing down on him, that this guy is huge so he tries to make a move. Then he realizes that it's me, I'm pee'od at him, and my radar is locked on. His eye's got to be dinner plate size, he got that "oooooooooooooooooooh s%*^t" look on his face and then I just ran over him. Again, literally. When I hit him he went sliding back a few feet, still verticle, then took a small flight for...3 or 4 yards, then hit the ground and skid for a couple yards on his own. By this time I realized he was on the ground so I "tripped", landed on top of him, sent both of us skidding a few feet, then friction broke loose and I slid right over the top of him. It stopped the game, they hauled him off the field, the team watched the EMT's jog over with a stretcher, and then towards the last half of the 4th me and a few players/friends realized the guy hasn't been in the game since. Found out after the game that they had to take the guy to the hospital. Oh, and yes, I am very proud of myself for sending someone to the hospital. I did get basically a slap on the wrist by the line coach when he took me out the rest of that series, but he saw the cheap shot so I didn't get in much trouble. The refs seemed to be the only one's that didn't know exactly what happened. Our team knew, our coaches knew, the other team knew, and judging by some of the big eye's most of the fans knew I did it on purpose too. When the coach tried to argue with me I told him the little twink cheap shotted me in front of a ref and got away with it. He was the head coach that played for the Packers in the 60's, so that was all that needed to be said. He got a fairly noticable grin on his face and just told me not to do it again. Still don't know what happened to that kid. I would say I took him out for the rest of the season but this was also late in the season and there was only a few games left.
Now as for calling them "wimpy" players, I wouldn't say that. The players now are just as tough, it's all the medics and political coaching that makes them look that way. Believe me, if Favre got hammered in a play and sprained a finger it would be the coaches choice to pull him out of the game for a few series, not Favres. Favre would rather slap the coach in the face, give him a big ol souther style 'screw you' and run back out there and play. As would most of the players. That's why I like football more than other sports, they're in it more for the love of the game than they are for the money. I know back in HS I had the Wisconsin football dream. Go to UW Madison and play for the Badgers for 4 years, then go play for the Packers for a carrier. And at that point I would have held out too and done what I could to make sure I was picked by the Packers, even if it meant playing a little crapier so I would end up in the same round draft pick as the Pack, or even lossing a few million on a deal to sign with the Pack rather than another team. I can still say that today too, for I have GREEN AND GOLD runnin through the vains. Along with motor oil as some people have told me in the past.
Back to the true post my plan goes along with what was said. A loco will go out of the yard with a cut of cars for the days deliveries. Mine is a tad simpler though since it's a short line and will not share trackage rights with any other Ry. The freight goes to town A, unhooks the cars, picks up the empties from town A and spots the empties on a passing siding, hooks up to the deliveries for town A, spots the deliveries, then hooks back up to the remaining cut of cars and goes of to town B leaving the town A empties on the passings siding. The loco as mentioned goes to town B, does the process over again leaving the town B empties on a passing siding, then proceeds to town C. Here is where it changes up a tad. After making the deliveries, the loco uses the main line to run around to the opposite end of the passing siding, picks up the town C empties then runs back up the main line to town B, picks up town B empties, then goes onto back to town A, picks up it's empties and heads back over to the yard. If I stick to my current plan a staging/yard will be hidden in a closet with a roughly 10 x 11.5 foot L and a 3x8 foot penninsula that will jut out towards the door. I may also put the yard on this penninsula and have a larger wye track connecting the two legs to each other and to the penninsula. I like this because I think it would be pretty impressive coming into the back room and one of the first things you see is a staging yard full of cars. Earliest plan is for around 100 cars. I don't need that many, but I want that many to be more prototypical, I could use different cars for different sessions instead of the same cars over and over. But I also have the one scene to build which kind of brought on the idea of using a room sized layout, that would take up half that penninsula. I only need 18 inches wide but I will need a good 6 or 7 feet length. Shoot the one building complex along is round 20 inches long. Running stock will be a GE U23, an EMD GP30, and an ALCo Century series, either C420, 424, 425, or 430. I can get the C420 so it all comes down to visual differences between each model. The 420 had 2000hp, 424 had 2400 hp, 425 2500hp and 430 had 3000hp. It would most likely be the 420 or 424, 3000hp is a but much for something that won't handle more than a dozen cars at a time, and has to deal with some switching that would only be one car. I also plan on having some hidden track to connect it all in a loop so if I feel I can latch up all the 100 or so cars I would have, M.U. the GE, EMD, and Alco together and haul it around. Pretty impressive for photos. For a name possible the U N L & W, or Unitas, Nitchke, Lombardi & White. or the F U N L, although I would rather have White in there than Favre. Loco numbers would be famous Packer players numbers of course, but those that are not included in the name. It's also based in WI so I may get copy Green Bay and have some of the streets named after Packers.
wm3798 Indianapolis has a team? Oh that's right... the India No Place Dolts... No relation to the REAL Colts, who are but a memory... You want to talk about playing in pain? Unitas played a second half with three broken ribs. These pansies today are sissies with all their penalty flags and pads... Oh wait...we're not supposed to talk about religion! Lee
Indianapolis has a team? Oh that's right... the India No Place Dolts... No relation to the REAL Colts, who are but a memory... You want to talk about playing in pain? Unitas played a second half with three broken ribs. These pansies today are sissies with all their penalty flags and pads...
Oh wait...we're not supposed to talk about religion!
Lee
About your plan. I think it looks good. Maybe a few slight modifications that others have posted, but overall I think its do-able.
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Lee, what you're describing sounds a heck of a lot like what the Favre yard would be doing (this layout is just an industrial district along the line (sorta like seaford in your post). SCRail would drop off the cars for Favre, and also what would go to Starr, then drop the rest of the cars at Starr.
However, the F&S recently purchased a GP38, B23-7 and a third switcher (EMD to be named) from SCRail, so I'm thinking that the SCRail would drop favre's cars at the favre yard, then drop all the cars for Starr at the Starr district, which would then be switched by the third EMD switcher to be named (I have yet to exactly draw up the history, but the F&S purchased an SCRail branch, added two large customers, and needed the GP38 and B23-7, and got a good deal on the third switcher).
So now, the local would run out from Favre yard, pull into the Favre industrial district, (drop the cars, go down the line to switch maybe two industries, come back to Favre(in parentheses b/c I'm not sure whether to do this), work the favre district, then run back to the yard.
Oh, and one more thing about Favre. Yes, he had a role in th drama, and he kept leaving them out to dry. He should have made his decisions sooner. And I know about palying through pain. i notice minute amounts, but it takes a ton to make me sit down.
Also, my sister is an obbssessed Indianapolis colts fan (Marvin Harrison Peyton Manning Tony Dungy era, lol, and she'll probably stay a Colts fan).
I like the simplicity of the plan, and your quotation of Sperandeo makes a modicum of sense. Another good reason to leave the cars in Farvrer... (do yourself a favor...change it to Unitas, then everyone will know what a great quarterback REALLY looks like, plus it's easier to spell)
... would be the length of your run around track at the far end. If you take all those cars with you, you'll have to figure out how to run around them to come back.
When I rode along with a switcher, we did exactly that. There was a siding that was used more or less like a staging track! We went east from our terminal to this siding, got the cars we needed to go west, and left the eastbound cars there. No point in dragging them along, because we were coming back through there that same afternoon.
I would suggest that you add some sort of junction yard, even if it's just a single track, so you can have some place to connect to the outside world, and put your engine house in the middle, so you can go west to your connection to pick up your work, then work your way back east. Check this out...
Federalsburg, Maryland.
What you see there is the engine house and dispatchers office of the Maryland and Delaware near my home. In the morning, the train pulls what ever cars are left from yesterday's work to go east to the NS junction at Seaford. Grab the map, and follow the tracks east. You'll cross the Marshy Hope Creek on a cool little plate girder bridge, then into an industrial park. The tracks then head on east toward Seaford through farm fields and woodlands. At Seaford, there is a DuPont nylon plant, a grain elevator, and a stone terminal all along the Nanticoke River.
Seaford
This shows the yard that serves DuPont, the M&D from Federalsburg comes in from the upper left. Follow it along to the right, and you see the junction with the NS main stem, which has that cool little swing bridge across the Nanticoke.
After the set outs are exchanged to NS for the day's work, the train then heads back toward Federalsburg. (NS switches DuPont and the grain elevator)
There, the industrial parks get worked as needed, and anything not going west toward Cambridge stays in Federalsburg to be hauled back to Seaford the next day.
Now, follow the track back west toward Hurlock...
Williamsburg, Maryland
This is the location of a fuel oil and propane depot for a local distributor. There's room for about 6 or 8 modern tank cars. During winter, overflow cars are spotted anywhere the railroad has room.
Hurlock, Maryland
Here you see the old junction of the M&D and the old Baltimore, Chesapeake and Atlantic (or Burnt Cinders and Ashes as it is fondly recalled by the locals) The BC&A went Northwest to Southeast, connecting a steamship port on the bay with the resorts at Ocean City. In the 1930's, it was absorbed in to the PRR, which owned the rest of the Delmarva rail network, so the old frail bridges of the BC&A were abandoned, and it's route became a batchwork of short branches. For the purposes of a model railroad, though, you could make it a "live interchange" where coal trains could be sent east to Vienna to the coal fired power plant. (you can follow the map to Vienna... it's currently oil fired and served by a pipeline, but the rail road is intact and preserved as a ROW in case they decide to switch back to coal.)
There's also a major Perdue feed elevator at Hurlock, which accounts for the bulk of the line's traffic.
Moving right along... Next stop is Linkwood, where the railroad crosses US 50. This is a cool LDE, with a big lumber mill that at one time was served by rail. The highway grade crossing, and the angle of the main mill buildings make this an interesting scene. Again, for the purpose of a model railroad, the mill siding could be reactivated to provide a good source of rail traffic, mostly outbound cars of finished lumber.
Finally, we reach the end of the line at Cambridge. You can see the wye in the middle of the industrial park. Years ago, Cambridge was a center for seafood and vegetable canning, with a large multi structure factory spread out on both sides of the track. In the 1950's, that close up, and has over the years been replaced by several smaller businesses. These have included commercial printers, box manufacturers, and other food processers many of which have used rail in one form or another. Today only the box company remains served by rail, but you could use some creative license to add some more. At the end of the line, the tracks actually meet the water at the Port of Cambridge.
Again, long ago a site of a large manufacturing plant, now a waterside park.
Once the train finished switching Cambridge, it would head back to Federalsburg to tie up for the night. Nowadays, the train works out of Federalsburg pretty much every day, but only runs to Cambridge 2-3 days a week.
If you visit my website there's a video of my ride along. It actually covers a different M&D branch, but the operation is much the same.
Hope this helps inspire you...
Aaand the headache returns. The Packer heads may not have handled the Favre thing very well....yes I realize a 10 year old could have done it better, but Favre was still part of the problem. If he wouldn't have kept changing his mind on retirement from week to week, and then not giving his official answer untill he shows up a few times for pre-season conditioning, well my point is clear. I never bashed Favre for what he was, just what he did the last few seasons. I totally agree with out, he is one of the best NFL players to ever play the game. I didn't watch him too much this season, mainly because where I work thought it would be funny to make me work every other weekend, all weekend. I mean Friday Saturday and Sunday, so I missed everything not just football. I'm hoping to leave them so they can't do that to me again now that NASCAR has started up again. If Jets had a slightly better offense he could have shinned more. Which would have been nice because then the Jets would have been doing better, they would have let Favre play more, and the Packers would get better draft picks from the Jets. Oh and I should mention as soon as I found out the Jets nabbed him I was going around telling everyone Favre will only do a year, maybe too, then pull this same crap on the Jets. And oh look, he is. But there's enough of that, I'm not getting into it anymore because the only thing left to talk about is the politics of the whole situation, and I hate talking politics.
You could run some GB Route...er, sorry, Green Bay & Western cars but no engines really. GB Route more more or less stuck to Wisconsin, although if I remember right they did have some trackage that dipped into Minnesota dare ey. This is part of what left me in a conundrum and why I decided to freelance my own short line. In the Wiscsonsin area area I'm modeling, if I picked the right time era which would be 50's to 80's, well I'll just list them off.
Chicago & Northwestern, Milwaukee Road, Soo Line, Green Bay & Western, Escanaba & Lake Superior, Wisconsin Central, Wisconsin & Southern all had trackage and trackage rights. What I mean is in a number of area's, as I noticed what seemed to be along a line that split Wisconsin into north/south, you could see all those railways motive power hauling around cars, not just the Ry's cars. And I also think there's a few I missed, but that list itself is condensed. Back around 1920's GB&W itself had about a dozen distinct "districts". Soo line had two different ones that went through, normal Soo Line and one that was called Soo Line & Ste. Marie or something like that. Milwaukee Road had Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee & Pacific aaaand Chicago, St. Paul, Milwaukee & Omaha. Yiiiiiiiiiiikes, I hope MR or Trains don't decide to do a history of Wisconsin railroad, it would take up like 12 issues for just one article!!
Course now I'm thinking of renaming my shortline with a bunch of former great Packers players names.
Nitchke, Lombardi, & Lambeau. Favre, White, & Butler. Lombardi, Favre, & White. Ohh, I like that one. Maybe I should work something in there that included my old HS football coach Butler. Not Leroy, he probably wasn't even born yet when our coach played. He was trained by Lombardi, new Nitchke personally, and was good friends with Starr. Heck he knew all the late and greats. I'll get name to you guys tomorrow, I honestly can't remember his first name, we always called him Coach Butler. But I will mention after he took over as coach we probably got 50% better at least. Aaaaaaaaaaaah the memories.
Oh and as for Favre playing a game after his father died, whoopty doo. I had to play the same week my grampa died, also played the game the same week my great gramma died (not the same year), played half a season on a fractured toe my senior year (I never told anyone about it ) aaand the year before that I played over half a game on sprained ankle when I probably should have been given an ambulance ride, and then played the rest of the season with out telling the coaches how bad it was because I knew the line coach would make me go to a doctor and the doctor would put me on cruches and take me out for 2-3 weeks. I also kept playing a game after some jerk on the other team took a cheap shot on me and my back went numb for a while, there were a few times I was taken out of the game after having the breath knocked outta me and went back in soon as I could breath. Point is the only reason Favre has played through more physical pain than I have is because he's a Pro and gets to play for more than an 8 week season and got to play for more than 4 years. And about the injuries, I kept playing through them all because I wanted to play. I had a love for the game like no other, considering the fact that most of the others sat out if they got hurt. And we were not a big team either. Junoir year we almost didn't have a football program because only 13 people showed up to join the team. The school was sort of dumb and left the decision up to us players and of course we were gonna say "game on". That was the miracle year. By the end of the second week of the season (before any games) we had 25 players. That's when the coaches let me play when I wanted to (on defense, of course), not the entire game. Come to think of it that actually kind of sucked freshman/sophomore year when I had to play on offense/defense for JV. Freshman was offense only on Varsity (yes I started Varsity team first year in football) and sophomore varsity was both. I got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off track again didn't I.
dehusmanPackers#1The wayfreight runs out from the yard, drops the cars to be worked in that industrial district off (there's 7 in the train for the Starr area), then continues onto the Starr area (this way, they won't have to leave all the Favre cars out on the main at Starr). The wayfreight locomotive would then return to Favre, work it, then run back to starr, work it, return, etc. I'll add some lines to the system map to illistrate what I'm talking abt. Prototype moment: Why? Why stop the train, set out the cars only to have to stop a second time and switch them again? A real railroad would stop, switch the industries and then go on or else carry the cars to the next yard/station and bring them back and setout and switch them all at once. Why double your work?
Packers#1The wayfreight runs out from the yard, drops the cars to be worked in that industrial district off (there's 7 in the train for the Starr area), then continues onto the Starr area (this way, they won't have to leave all the Favre cars out on the main at Starr). The wayfreight locomotive would then return to Favre, work it, then run back to starr, work it, return, etc. I'll add some lines to the system map to illistrate what I'm talking abt.
Prototype moment: Why?
Why stop the train, set out the cars only to have to stop a second time and switch them again?
A real railroad would stop, switch the industries and then go on or else carry the cars to the next yard/station and bring them back and setout and switch them all at once.
Why double your work?
You have a point. So basically, the way freight stopping in Favre, doing th work there (even w/ the other cars for starr), then conitnueing to starr and doing the work there, then running back to the Favre yard would be more prototypical?
I got my original idea from one of Andy Sperandeo's columns, where he described how some way freight crews would leave facing point cars at the towns to be worked on the return trip. In theory, would it be reasonable to drop the cars at Favre on the way down to save on fuel costs (I think going from a 23 car train to a 12 car one, roughly), then work Favre on the way back? The Starr cars could be left on another passing sidng jsut out of sight, to allow SCRail through freights to still clear the town (I'm thinking one every two hours or so. sound reasonable, or should the time interval be longer or shorter?)
Thanks for pointing that out though!
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
BobsterMILW-RODR,I plead insanity, I plead cheese curd deprivation!!! Squeaky cheese, truly a gift from God. I did a quick reply and meant no disrespect to Ray Nitchke (66) and Vince Lombardi. I have been a Packer fan since I was a little kid. Yes I remember the Ice Bowl and GB beating KC in the Championship game. It wasn't the Super Bowl then. Packers,You might want to add some Green Bay and Western cars to the layout. As you may know that was a real railroad. I don't know what state or era you are basing your RR on. You could go to Packers.com for some names and history as GB was a great team long before either of us was around. Wisconsin is also a great state for trains and RR history. Rail museum in GB. Abandoned rails turned into trails so you can see some of the work it took to make a railroad. North Freedom where you can ride in old cars and see steam engines. Watching a train roll through Devil's Lake State Park.Well I guess I got way off topic. Sorry guys, I guess you know I'm a little off upstairs.Seriously Packers have you checked into Spacemouse's site. Click on the avatar on any of his posts. He make some excellent suggestions. I notice over the last few months you've been through some design changes. I'm glad you have a larger space. What kind of written plan do you have for a layout? With these plans you may be able to make better use of your limited funds. Good luck, Bob
MILW-RODR,
I plead insanity, I plead cheese curd deprivation!!! Squeaky cheese, truly a gift from God. I did a quick reply and meant no disrespect to Ray Nitchke (66) and Vince Lombardi. I have been a Packer fan since I was a little kid. Yes I remember the Ice Bowl and GB beating KC in the Championship game. It wasn't the Super Bowl then.
Packers,
You might want to add some Green Bay and Western cars to the layout. As you may know that was a real railroad. I don't know what state or era you are basing your RR on. You could go to Packers.com for some names and history as GB was a great team long before either of us was around.
Wisconsin is also a great state for trains and RR history. Rail museum in GB. Abandoned rails turned into trails so you can see some of the work it took to make a railroad. North Freedom where you can ride in old cars and see steam engines. Watching a train roll through Devil's Lake State Park.
Well I guess I got way off topic. Sorry guys, I guess you know I'm a little off upstairs.
Seriously Packers have you checked into Spacemouse's site. Click on the avatar on any of his posts. He make some excellent suggestions. I notice over the last few months you've been through some design changes. I'm glad you have a larger space. What kind of written plan do you have for a layout? With these plans you may be able to make better use of your limited funds.
Good luck,
Bob
Bob, I've done that. Another reason I'm a Packers fan (well, went from jsut a Favre fan to a Packer nut) is that it has a great and storied history (won the first 2 super bowls, etc.)
I'm basing it in Aiken County, SC (which is bigger then Rhode Island, btw ). I may get a WC loco to run on my layout (in fact, might custom-paint my GP30 for the WC when I get an airbrush),and I will look for some WC cars etc. (Exact Rail has some, I think).I haven't really read too much (never made the time). Say, there's an idea for some English1 reading, hehehe. Also, I'm going to develop my written plan after I've finished up the track plan. I was recently in a car wreck, and am getting $300 from the person that caused it insurance co for my "pain and discomfort" (I didn't ask; the company told us abt. it when we sent them my doctors bill for getting a physical check-up). My parents ar emaking me put $100 into a savings account, and I'm going to give $30 to my church, but I will definitely be able to afford the track, if not more. There's a train show coming up in Columbia, SC, and I'll ahve both the money left over, and some allowance my parents owe me, so we'll see what i wind up getting for my RR.
I'll definitely make up a list of what I need, and also how much each thing costs.
Modeling in N scale: Rock Island freight and passenger, with a touch of the following; Wabash Cannon Ball, CB&Q passenger, and ATSF freight and passenger. I played in Peoria (Heights).
MILW-RODROoooooooh bejeweled. Here comes the head ache. First, and with out getting too angry here because I do live in tittle town, I am a Packers fan, and having a tremendous amount of respect for great men, it's Lombardi. And second, he did worse for the Jets than he did for the Pack. And, because the Jets let him play quite a darn bit, we will now get to choose from some of there 1st or 2nd round draft picks. He did play alot but I don't think enough for us to get any 1st rounders. And second, kid, why would you want to name your RR after someone like that? He gave the Packers headaches off-season for 2 years in a row, and now he's going the same BS to the Jets. Oh just you guys watch, it's only March. Season doesn't start for many months, and he likes to wait till the last second, literally, to tell everyone if he is going to retire for real or come back just one more season. Rename it something with Lombardi or Lambeau in it. Or even Nitchke as mentioned, or Starr (wait, you did that one) or White (didn't you do that one too). Heck even Holmgren, Butler, or Driver would be better. And of course the number 73. Well, actually no. The guy wearing the Packers #73 jersey is an insult to the number. He should not be allowed to have it. #73 was retired after I graduate, and this was only friggen high school! Crap like that don't happen in HS. Then again neither does a player getting to keep his jerseys after he graduates when the school football program has a small buget. Aah, the glory days. I need to find a jersey sized frame and locate some wall studs.
Ooooooooh bejeweled. Here comes the head ache. First, and with out getting too angry here because I do live in tittle town, I am a Packers fan, and having a tremendous amount of respect for great men, it's Lombardi. And second, he did worse for the Jets than he did for the Pack. And, because the Jets let him play quite a darn bit, we will now get to choose from some of there 1st or 2nd round draft picks. He did play alot but I don't think enough for us to get any 1st rounders. And second, kid, why would you want to name your RR after someone like that? He gave the Packers headaches off-season for 2 years in a row, and now he's going the same BS to the Jets. Oh just you guys watch, it's only March. Season doesn't start for many months, and he likes to wait till the last second, literally, to tell everyone if he is going to retire for real or come back just one more season. Rename it something with Lombardi or Lambeau in it. Or even Nitchke as mentioned, or Starr (wait, you did that one) or White (didn't you do that one too). Heck even Holmgren, Butler, or Driver would be better. And of course the number 73. Well, actually no. The guy wearing the Packers #73 jersey is an insult to the number. He should not be allowed to have it. #73 was retired after I graduate, and this was only friggen high school! Crap like that don't happen in HS. Then again neither does a player getting to keep his jerseys after he graduates when the school football program has a small buget. Aah, the glory days. I need to find a jersey sized frame and locate some wall studs.
In short, I'm naming it the Favre & Southern b/c he is A) the absolute reason I am a Packers fan, and B) He is the best QB in the history of the NFL. Yes, better than Montana, Aikman, Marino, or any other QB. He was the toughest of his kind, one of the best NFL athletes to strap on the pads, and he deserved better treatment last season by the Packer managment.
When he went out there and destroyed the Raiders the day after his father died, he was cemented as the favorite player of all time in my heart. I can even remember an announcer saying something like "he's looking up at that chair where his father would sit, and he knows he is watching him" or soemthing like that. Favre never gave up, and he never elt an injury stop him. He is th best palyer in Packers history, and in NFL history.
and back on topic. Anyone else have any ideas on changes to the layout plan. i still have to draw the lines on the system map.
dehusmanPackers#1 operation: The way frieght pulls into the passing siding, drops the cars off there, then couples onto the 7 remaining for the next town (off stage); it would then drop those cars with some taken through by an SCRail through freight (SCRail has trackage rights over the F&S. SCRail is a previous idea I had for a layout/RR system), then run light back to the industrial district, work it (pausing for the occasional through freight by SCRail), then place thoise cars back on the passing siding, run light back to the next town, work that, then run back through Favre w/ those 7 cars, couple up, and go back to the Favre yard. I don't understand the operation at all. Why are they dropping the cars out in the middle of nowhere, rather than taking them to the yard? That doesn't make a whole lotta sense from a prototype perspective. I would think all the cars would be interchanged or set out at the yard, the the way freight would run between the yard and the industrial district doing industry work.
Packers#1 operation: The way frieght pulls into the passing siding, drops the cars off there, then couples onto the 7 remaining for the next town (off stage); it would then drop those cars with some taken through by an SCRail through freight (SCRail has trackage rights over the F&S. SCRail is a previous idea I had for a layout/RR system), then run light back to the industrial district, work it (pausing for the occasional through freight by SCRail), then place thoise cars back on the passing siding, run light back to the next town, work that, then run back through Favre w/ those 7 cars, couple up, and go back to the Favre yard.
I don't understand the operation at all. Why are they dropping the cars out in the middle of nowhere, rather than taking them to the yard? That doesn't make a whole lotta sense from a prototype perspective.
I would think all the cars would be interchanged or set out at the yard, the the way freight would run between the yard and the industrial district doing industry work.
The wayfreight runs out from the yard, drops the cars to be worked in that industrial district off (there's 7 in the train for the Starr area), then continues onto the Starr area (this way, they won't have to leave all the Favre cars out on the main at Starr). The wayfreight locomotive would then return to Favre, work it, then run back to starr, work it, return, etc. I'll add some lines to the system map to illistrate what I'm talking abt.
LooshiYour layout designs are getting a lot better than what I remember seeing before. Good job Packers.
Your layout designs are getting a lot better than what I remember seeing before. Good job Packers.
Thanks. I guess I just finally quit trying to shove as many industries as I could into a small space w/ no way to switch them.
R. T. POTEETWas this Favre any kin to the Favre that excelled with the New York Jerks this last NFL season?
Was this Favre any kin to the Favre that excelled with the New York Jerks this last NFL season?
Yep, lol.
Bob, now there's an idea! And of course, there's Lambeau freight exchange, Donald's scrap Iron, etc. Thanks for the idea! And of course, there's the other town's name: Starr (Bart Starr, the QB back when Lombardi coached)
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Maybe you should have a Nitscke (sp) Machine Shop and a White textile on Lombardy Avenue.
cuyamaPretty unlikely that any real railroad would be set up so that cars had to be removed from the scrap yard before either the freight house or plastic factory could be switched -- assuming the scrapyard is a rail-served industry.
Pretty unlikely that any real railroad would be set up so that cars had to be removed from the scrap yard before either the freight house or plastic factory could be switched -- assuming the scrapyard is a rail-served industry.
Well, it was going to be a switching headache on purpose, but I can switch around that freight house spur so that the scrap yard would extend past the freight house on that spur. ok, I'll go ahead and make that swap now.
EDIT: v2.0
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Ok, so, I now know which room I'll be moving into, and what I was thinking about doing is not for the room I'm getting, and what i was then going to do got shot down by my parents, so I'm turning to a switching layout. However, I'll hopefully be able to set up a loop of track around the walls so I can still watch 'em roll from anywhere in the room.
ok, facts:
Name: Favre & Southern RR's Favre industrial district
era: 2008
location: ficitional town of Favre in Aiken County, South Carolina, USA (yes, name came from Brett favre, legendary QB of the Packers)
minimum radius: 20" on the main, 15" in industrial tracks, if i remember right.
operation: The way frieght pulls into the passing siding, drops the cars off there, then couples onto the 7 remaining for the next town (off stage); it would then drop those cars with some taken through by an SCRail through freight (SCRail has trackage rights over the F&S. SCRail is a previous idea I had for a layout/RR system), then run light back to the industrial district, work it (pausing for the occasional through freight by SCRail), then place thoise cars back on the passing siding, run light back to the next town, work that, then run back through Favre w/ those 7 cars, couple up, and go back to the Favre yard.
Motive Power: SD60Ms will be the largest through freight power (I don't even own one); otherwise 4-axle roadswitchers and maybe SD40-2s or earlier SD units on SCRail through freights, and either a U23B or B23-7 on F&S local.
ok, questions, comments, etc? I really want to have this bulletproof.
Thanks in advance!!!
EDIT: very quickly drawn system map (SCRail connections at both ends):