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Structure on a sort of mountain top

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Structure on a sort of mountain top
Posted by jackn2mpu on Monday, August 4, 2008 9:41 AM

I have a structure that's approx. 4 by 7 inches I want to place on top of a raised area, which is really not a mountain peak, something like a mesa, but with Eastern US foilage, etc. The 'mountain' hasn't been built yet; I have a couple of different ways to go in that direction, and that's the dilemma. I have plenty of corrugated cardboard that I can use to make the 'weave' method of mountains. Making a flat area with that stuff seems like it could be a problem. There's also the possibility of using a foam base which makes it easy to do a flat area. However, I have no foam at hand. And I don't need so much that I could really use up a whole sheet from the local Home Depot. No foam inserts from shipped items either.

The area is not terribly huge; it's trapezoidal with a bottom of approx. 15 inches on one end, 3 inches on the opposite end, and 18 inches on each of the sides. I hope to go no higher than 6 inches (excluding building height). It is also in between some tracks on the 2 sides so I have no wall to anchor anything to. I have the Joe Fugate video where he uses masking tape over the cardboard web. Would something like this work? I really don't care about showing a foundation, as I plan to cover up to that with foileage and so forth.

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Posted by kcole4001 on Monday, August 4, 2008 10:01 AM

If you plan on using the cardboard strips covered with plaster for the main scenery, you could build a table using the foam and then cover the perimeter with the cardboard.

By this I mean a flat foam base for the structure, and support this using foam legs, or if the foam wouldn't be sturdy enough, make the table completely out of wood. L girders for support are another option, treating the area as a piece of roadbed.

It would be easier (and cleaner) than carving a solid mountain of foam.

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Posted by Don Z on Monday, August 4, 2008 10:29 AM

Jack,

I did something similar to what you want to do...only my structure was a water tank. I used some wood dowels to support a plywood platform that the water tank sits on. I then proceeded with cardboard strips to form the shape of the terrain, covered the strips with masking tape and then applied plaster. See the photos:

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, August 4, 2008 11:07 AM

Since you're using cardboard strips (under plaster-impregnated fabric, I presume) why not simply incorporate a "flat" cut from the side of a packing box into your cardboard bird's nest.

While we tend to think of cardboard as flimsy, the multi-layer corrugated brownboard used to box up major appliances is quite rigid and should prove more than adequate.

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Monday, August 4, 2008 3:16 PM
 tomikawaTT wrote:

Since you're using cardboard strips (under plaster-impregnated fabric, I presume) why not simply incorporate a "flat" cut from the side of a packing box into your cardboard bird's nest.

While we tend to think of cardboard as flimsy, the multi-layer corrugated brownboard used to box up major appliances is quite rigid and should prove more than adequate.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

Yep !!!  That works for me too.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, August 4, 2008 6:24 PM
 Don Z wrote:

Don Z.

Don

What tool did you use to drill and countersink those screws in the lumber?  If memory serves me right, you had made a post about it last year.

Thanks for the reply.

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Posted by Don Z on Monday, August 4, 2008 7:33 PM

GS,

I use the Kreg jig for drilling the pocket holes. I then use a washerhead square drive screw to join the 2 pieces of wood together.....

http://www.kregtool.com/products/pht/index.php

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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, August 4, 2008 11:16 PM

Great tool, thanks for the link. I believe I'll be picking up a kit.

GS

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Posted by kcole4001 on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:06 AM

Those pocket hole jigs do make a nice, neat job.

p.s: square drive = Robertson, though the proper name isn't often used in the U.S. and is becoming less commonly used worldwide due to Chimese manufacturing of these fasteners (long story, in short: thank Henry Ford).

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Posted by DeadheadGreg on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 9:56 PM
hey Don, any new pictures of any progress on that area? 
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Posted by Don Z on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:25 PM

 DeadheadGreg wrote:
hey Don, any new pictures of any progress on that area? 

How's this?

Stage 1 - Raw shape of mountain in place with fascia mounted:

Stage 2 - All carboard strip in place and form is covered with tape, ready for plaster rock castings to be applied:

Stage 3 - Rock castings in place, ready for color:

Stage 4 - Initial color appiled to castings:

I have added the tunnel portals and more scenery texture in this section....I guess I need to take the camera back into the train room again....

Thanks for asking,

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Posted by DeadheadGreg on Thursday, August 7, 2008 10:58 AM
word thanks for posting dude.  I definitely would love to see more pictures.  That sure is a lot of rocks, haha
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