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Atlas Code 83 and 100 Mark !4 Turnouts: Reliable Long Term? Issues?

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Atlas Code 83 and 100 Mark !4 Turnouts: Reliable Long Term? Issues?
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:30 PM
I have seen snippets and comments regarding Atlas Turnouts but never a "full report" or discussion.
These will be in the affordable zone for me as well as readily available locally.

I'd like to hear from people who've been using Atlas Mark IV turn outs for a few years and would like to
know if you've had any problems/issues with them? I'll be using them on a DCC layout.
I've read on line (maybe in this forum) that the unrealistic rivet is gone or not visually evident (?) but the new ones I recently purchased have rivets so I was also wondering about that.

I will probably use Atlas on the whole layout (except for curved turn outs or #8s if I have room for them) so
I'd like to know if people consider them "junk" or too short lived over the long haul. I'm sure lots of newer M.R.s would like to know as well.

Thanks very much

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Posted by jrbernier on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:40 PM

  I have had Atlas Custom Line turnouts on my layout since 1988 and only one has failed(out of 43).  The current Mark IV is what most of them are, and they are rock solid.  A little filing on the tip of the points and a mill file to the frog to get rid of the 'blackner' is all I do.  I have just started on the branch line and I am using Atlas code 83 trackage as well.  BTW, Atlas now has a #8 code 100 turnout.

  If I was building a new layout, I would use the Atlas code 83 from the start.  I have seen several layouts with it and they are now 7-8 years old - run fine!

Jim Bernier

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:50 PM
Thanks Jim. That (1988) sounds very reassuring.

It's hard sometimes to separate the prototypical appeal opinions of more realistically detailed turnouts (Walthers, Shinohara, Peco, etc.) with true manufacturing quality and durability of Atlas. I've read comments that the plastic frog in Atlas turnouts will wear out over time, but then I've read that they are metal. Mine appear to be metal.

I'll probably use caboose brand/style manual throw switches for the most part. For the powered switches
is there any problem getting the Atlas switches to stay "switches" ensuring continuity for DCC?
Will Tortoise switches make that a non-issue?

And finally (for now :-) are Atlas "DCC friendly" switches so labeled or will slots need to be cut?
Mine aren't labeled DCC friendly. (I bought a couple of #6s nd #4s for planning/laying out, for now.)

Thanks again!

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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:20 PM

You might want to check out the thread titled "An open letter to Atlas" in the general disc. section.  Lot's of guys are checking in there to tell of their Atlas experience.

FWIW, I have always used Atlas track products and have no intention of changing at this point. 

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:06 PM
Thanks Blue Hills I'll recheck that thread. (I read some of it a few days back about locomotives).
Have you been using Atlas for many years? I put my old partially build layout in the oft flooded damp dank cellar through an environmental test :-0 for 18 yrs. and the switches (Mark IIIs) seem to move fine.

Does anyone have any info. on when Code 83 #8 turn outs will be available through Atlas?

(Edited) I just now found the thread that gave me my initial doubts. Ton Diehl's posts about having to file and shim Atlas Mark IV #6 turn outs. Has this problem been fixed by Atlas? Is it a crap shoot from turn out to turn out? Any easy way to test them before installing them other than with an NMRA gauge?

His posts are on pg. 3 of this forum if anyone is interested. I'd like to avoid this hassle if possible!

Thanks.

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Posted by BlueHillsCPR on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:03 PM

 Capt. Grimek wrote:
Thanks Blue Hills I'll recheck that thread. (I read some of it a few days back about locomotives).
Have you been using Atlas for many years? I put my old partially build layout in the oft flooded damp dank cellar through an environmental test :-0 for 18 yrs. and the switches (Mark IIIs) seem to move fine.

Thanks.

Admitted the thread I mentioned wanders a bit but I thought I recalled some members chiming in regarding Atlas track products.  I thought that may have been a place to pose your question as well?

Atlas is mainly what I have used for trackage over the years.  I did have some other track that came in sets but the track/turnouts I have purchased have always been Atlas.  My first layout, (a 4'X8') was built when I was twelve or so.  That would have been about 1975.  I was away from the hobby in the late eighties but returned in the mid 90's to build my second layout, (a T 12'X6'X4'W) and used much of my original track.  Sadly that layout came to disaster when I moved and had no place to put the 3 layout modules...they ended up getting snowed/rained on, which pretty much destroyed the scenery.  I managed to slavage some track & turnouts from the mess.  Now I am starting to build my sons first layout and I will use some of the turnouts from the destroyed layout for that.  They seem to operate flawlessly in spite of what they were through.  So my experiences with Atlas have been positive.

I can't comment on the filing of turnouts other than to say I have read that most if not all commercial turnouts require some fine tuning to be perfect.  I have yet to file a turnout myself but then maybe I'm not as picky as I should be.

For the money Atlas works just fine for me.

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Posted by Hansel on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:42 PM

Hi,

I just purchased a bunch of Atlas #8 code 100 turnouts.  What a headache they have become from day one.  Number one, the loco is jarred quite a bit (sort of like going over a speed bump) when it goes over the notch in the rail.  Number two, the loco drops down when it goes over the frog.  And number three, once you get your loco over the switch points it is hit or miss if the current will flow into the loco.  I remember back in the 70's they made a much better product with none of these problems.

I wouldn't hit my dog with these switches.

Thanks, Hansel

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:57 PM
 Hansel wrote:

 Number two, the loco drops down when it goes over the frog. 

LOL.  I purchased a large number of Atlas code 83 #6 turnouts about 5 years ago.  The problem back then was that the frog was set too high and one needed to grind the frog surface down a bit so that the engine did not ride up on the frog and loose contact with the rails.

Now is sounds like Atlas is setting the frog too low. 

There is a reason why Atlas turnouts are the lowest price on the market (by as much as 50%).  You get what you pay for.  The manufacturer has transferred the fine tuning work from the factory to the end user. You can get them to work but you have to do the work

-John

 

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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:34 PM
 rustyrails wrote:
 Hansel wrote:

 Number two, the loco drops down when it goes over the frog. 

LOL.  I purchased a large number of Atlas code 83 #6 turnouts about 5 years ago.  The problem back then was that the frog was set too high and one needed to grind the frog surface down a bit so that the engine did not ride up on the frog and loose contact with the rails.

 

 

The frog is still too high AND it has a pit. Big Smile [:D] They do need some owner tweaking. I feel the weak point on my code 83's is the throw bar. The way the point rails connect to it aren't the greatest. I've seen people put pieces of .010 styrene between the rail and the throw to keep it from over throwing.
I had some old code 100's that worked fine for over 8 years. My new code 83's have been down for over 2 years and other than one that I messed up, they are working fine.

P.S.-Stay away from their crossing tracks. REALLY loud and bumpy. Try and use Walthers/Shinoharas. They are worth the extra $$$!

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Posted by joe-daddy on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:51 PM

I have not been using Atlas since 1988, but I can tell you that i have wasted over a ton of big bucks and many months of hard work trying to use Peco and handlaid turnouts because of all the negative feedback on this forum and others about how bad Atlas turnouts are.  

I am now using Atlas code 83 flex with Atlas #8 mark 4 turnouts (I have a few Walthers code 83 in the mix) and I am a very happy camper.  My layout is only 40 x 15 and I only have 20 turnouts on the mainline but turnouts are no longer a headache for me.

My lesson learned for code 83,  pick a supplier of flex track that you like and buy their turnouts.  Atlas, Peco and ME rail are different and do not join seamlessly.  While the Walthers do work well with Atlas flelx, there is a about .020" difference in tie height that you have to deal with.

Go to the train shows where the fellows have modular railroads that they tear apart and put back together and you'll find ~80% or more of them use Atlas code 100 with Peco Code 100 turnouts, which, unlike code 83 are quite compatilble.

More details of my trials and tribulations on my BLOG 

If I were to start over today, I'd use code 100 with peco and never look back. It just works and looks fine if you do a little detailing and ballast work. 

Just my 2 cents 

 Joe Daddy 

 

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Posted by loathar on Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:41 AM
 joe-daddy wrote:

Go to the train shows where the fellows have modular railroads that they tear apart and put back together and you'll find ~80% or more of them use Atlas code 100 with Peco Code 100 turnouts, which, unlike code 83 are quite compatilble.

 

I went to a show and saw a modular that used Peco C83. It seemed to run fine but I hated the way it looked. (that's just personal preference) It's funny because they say it's made to North American track standards, but I thought it looked really European. That show was the reason I went with Atlas. 

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