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Posted by concretelackey on Friday, October 3, 2008 8:23 PM
 HarryHotspur wrote:

The expandable foam over chicken wire sounds like a great idea. You could sculp the Rockies and have a cabin or two here and there. A real water stream flowing over and down the rocks would seem a natural for this environment. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about the usual things that cause problems: causing too much humidity. (Heck, you've got the entire world's atmoshere to absorb the water molecules.)

Then of course if it rains often enough to suit your operations, the sytem is automatic. Otherwise it would be easy to supplement the water flow with a garden hose. If it snows a little, you will have an absolutely fabulous natural Scene of the Rockies. If it doesn't snow where you are located, perhaps you could rent on of those snow making guns. Might be overkill.

 I'm not sure about the astroturf seems like you'd have a perfectly manicured summer lawn in the middle of the winter. I'd go with rugged painted and sculpedted mountains, with some trees and bushes of a brownish-gray cole.

Just for what it's worth. Sure sounds like fun. 

To similate running water- relatively low cost/simple setup would require a quick trip to the local hardware store. Place a plastic barrel (a clean trash can would work) under the down spout of your rain gutter. Place a $39.95 sump pump (be sure it has a ball float so it won't run dry) in the barrel and run a garden hose under the scenery to the head of the stream/creek/waterfall. This setup would recycle the water using the rain gutter and would be refilled when it rains.

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Ken aka "CL" "TIS QUITE EASY TO SCREW CONCRETE UP BUT TIS DARN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO UNSCREW IT"
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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:23 AM
So, where's the helix that gets the train from the dinner table to the roof?Whistling [:-^]THAT I'd like to see!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by NS AS-416 on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:17 AM

Very impressive display. Thanks for sharing it with us!

Matt

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Posted by SD456789 on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:37 PM
I have a controlmaster 20 A444 with a walkaround control.  It uses a phone line and jack to plug into the transformer but is also capable of operation from outside the track.  Do you know how to hook the phone line onto the track in various places?  It would be easy if there were only two wires but there are four.  I could then go outside and operate the train from different locations on the track.  Is this what is supposed to happen or am I totally wrong?
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Posted by SD456789 on Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:06 AM
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I love your ideas & your "if I can dream it, I can do it" attitude.  Great pictures & thank you for sharing with us.
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Posted by hickstmj on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:54 PM
I love your ideas & your "if I can dream it, I can do it" attitude.  Great pictures & thank you for sharing with us.
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Posted by SD456789 on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:36 PM
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   This is a picture of the family gathering at Easter with the SD pulling six gondola cars filled with food before I put it on the garage roof.
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Posted by SD456789 on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:34 PM
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Posted by Margaritaman on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:49 PM

 HarryHotspur wrote:
A large body of pure water will reflect the color that is cast upon it, which is usually the color of the sky. Often blue, but sometimes gray in the winter.

Or brown if you live in LA

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Posted by HarryHotspur on Monday, July 14, 2008 2:39 PM
 Midnight Railroader wrote:
 HarryHotspur wrote:

Otherwise it would be easy to supplement the water flow with a garden hose.

Just make sure you dye the water blue, because water is blue. Right, harry?

Actually, pure water has a very slight blue color, but it is so slight water appears to be clear unless it is very deep. A large body of pure water will reflect the color that is cast upon it, which is usually the color of the sky. Often blue, but sometimes gray in the winter.

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, July 14, 2008 7:56 AM
 HarryHotspur wrote:

Otherwise it would be easy to supplement the water flow with a garden hose.

Just make sure you dye the water blue, because water is blue. Right, harry?

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Posted by HarryHotspur on Monday, July 14, 2008 12:26 AM

The expandable foam over chicken wire sounds like a great idea. You could sculp the Rockies and have a cabin or two here and there. A real water stream flowing over and down the rocks would seem a natural for this environment. Plus you wouldn't have to worry about the usual things that cause problems: causing too much humidity. (Heck, you've got the entire world's atmoshere to absorb the water molecules.)

Then of course if it rains often enough to suit your operations, the sytem is automatic. Otherwise it would be easy to supplement the water flow with a garden hose. If it snows a little, you will have an absolutely fabulous natural Scene of the Rockies. If it doesn't snow where you are located, perhaps you could rent on of those snow making guns. Might be overkill.

 I'm not sure about the astroturf seems like you'd have a perfectly manicured summer lawn in the middle of the winter. I'd go with rugged painted and sculpedted mountains, with some trees and bushes of a brownish-gray cole.

Just for what it's worth. Sure sounds like fun. 

- Harry

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Posted by SD456789 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 6:08 PM
One of the pictures shows the MRC controlmaster 20 which I bought in Brooklyn with a ampmeter and voltmeter which I purchased from China and attached to the transformer.  I will probably sell all of the cars (I have about 15 more Denver and Rio Grande cars of various makes) which I purchased on Ebay and get some better quality ones from Aristocraft.  I have been thinking about making a peak out of expandable spray type foam on chicken wire and placing it on the top and over some astroturf layed on the roof.  However, this has to stand up to the weather and wind also.  Right now and through Christmas I think I will just enjoy what has been completed.  Any ideas, no matter how wierd are welcomed.
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Posted by SD456789 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:58 PM
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Posted by BigG on Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:46 PM

 Great pictures! Now I understand what you're working with; somehow I misunderstood the shape and pitch of the roof. I guess a picture is worth a thousand words.

   Well done.      George

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Posted by HarryHotspur on Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:11 PM
Nice work, SD. Your project intrigued me from the beginning, but I admit I couldn't quite understand it until I saw the photos. I know it's a display layout, and a very good one at that, but I keep picturing the entire roof sceniced as the Rocky Mountains.

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Posted by SD456789 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:26 AM
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Posted by SD456789 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:23 AM
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Posted by SD456789 on Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:04 AM
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I took 9 pictures of the SD45 going around the track on top of the roof.   I now have them in photobucket but have not yet discovered how to get them into this site.   I will start on this again tomorrow.  Thanks for your help.
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Posted by SD456789 on Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:04 PM
I took 9 pictures of the SD45 going around the track on top of the roof.   I now have them in photobucket but have not yet discovered how to get them into this site.   I will start on this again tomorrow.  Thanks for your help.
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Posted by BigG on Friday, July 11, 2008 9:59 PM

 Hi again, and congratulations on building a dream!  Sounds like something a magazine should be interested in; I know that I'd love to see some pictures. To post them, you need to go to a photo hosting site like "Photobucket" et al, and open a free account. It's relatively easy to do, and the site will guide you.

  Have fun,   George.

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Posted by SD456789 on Friday, July 11, 2008 2:17 PM
I have completed the project.  The train is now running around the garage roof.  I operate it from inside the house about 30' away.  It works very well.  If I can figure out how to post some pictures I will.  A vidio would be even better.  I have run it for about two months now with no problems.  I only run it on quiet days.  The wind could be a problem.  I glued some house siding together and curved it around the track for protection from the rain.  The train only has six cars so it fits very well inside.   The gondola cars were used at Easter on the table which was 24' long to bring the turkey, potatoes, gravy, etc. to the family.  I have a picture of this on my desktop.  I understand that this is not in keeping with the historical accuracy of the Garden Railway System, but I have had many phone calls and comments on this project.   It is expecially nice at night with the headlight and two red lights on the back of the engine.  Each gondola car also has a small American Flag flying from it.
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Posted by HarryHotspur on Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:51 PM

SD456789, I have seen a G train hanging from a high ceiling using what appeared to be some kind of metal mesh roadbed. The roadbed was about 8" wide and had sides maybe 2" high. Hard to describe, but the mesh was like the pattern of a chain link fence, except the metal was flat, not round like the links in a chain. It was hung from the ceiling by wires about 8 feet apart, so obviously it was sturdy.

I realize you'd need some type of bracket instead of wires for support, but it's just an idea I had. Can't remember where I saw it, but there were customers walking beneath the train so obviously the store had confidence in the setup.

Just for what it's worth. 

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Posted by SD456789 on Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:28 PM
I do have a supply of 6"x1/8"x16' pieces of steel.  (about 5 ton) which after reading your suggestion, I could use.  Possibly the curves (9.5') could be obtained by cutting 1' pieces at angles and welding them together.  I do have both a 110 and 220 welder plus a torch for the cutting.  The steel came from a high school limestone track and was used to seperate the track from the grass on both sides.  I now plan to look at some other composite materials (decking) Saturday to see if this is a option.  Once I had the miter box set at the correct angle I could cut the decking boards at the correct marking to produce a 9.5' curve.  Thanks for the ideas.
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Posted by HarryHotspur on Thursday, February 7, 2008 5:02 PM

 rickster.ca wrote:
I'm confused,( I think a 3% grade is about 3' in 100'  I could be wrong ), in scale that's do able, in real life you would require 300' of track, to raise 9' I really am not sure if my calculations are right, as I'm not sure of  % grade, but you either require a real deep yard, or a trick to bend 2" x 6" lumber into accurate curves or heaven forbid a helix, you might want to consider plywood, any way it sounds like a great project, good luck I wish I could put my road ,I am just starting, in the roof of my garage, but it's too expensive a project.

The way I interpret his message, the increase in elevation will only be 3 1/2 feet, so that would be about 150 feet of track.  Maybe out to the curb and back would do it.

- Harry

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