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Uncoupling - Magnetic or Manual?

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Posted by jsotto on Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:08 PM
Hi ss122,

Trues, a sliding magnet will not fit within a normal ballast profile. An extended shoulder of about 1/4" x 1" is needed to allow clearance, which I place to the backside away from the aisle to be a little less noticeable. I use spline roadbed, so the classic trap-door method is not practical for me. I consider the "bulge" a small price to pay for the economy and convenience of a sliding permanent magnet. The Bachmann/McHenry magnets are a little narrower than the Kadee 308, so that helps a little, too.

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Posted by jkeaton on Friday, April 7, 2006 2:36 PM
Why use a permanent magnet for uncoupling, with all the hazards of unintended uncoupling, when electromagnetic uncoupling - turning them only only when needed - is so much neater? For a simple to make, much cheaper than Kadee, and less obtrusive electromagnetic uncoupler, look here:
http://www.xclent.freeuk.com/p87/magnets.htm

Our British friends are often ahead of us in these home-designed things. And, having posted that, I have to say that I'm a fan of the bamboo skewer system too, for cars and tracks that I can reach - but there are (or will be) spots in the mountains and staging yards that I can't reach.

Jim
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Posted by fwright on Friday, April 7, 2006 3:24 PM
Jim

Thanks for the post and link. I had not seen any electromagnet setups that both worked reliably and didn't have some kind of pole material above the ties. I have seen similar done with rare earth magnets, but the rare earth magnets still have the disadvantage of "always on".

yours in uncoupling
Fred W
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Posted by tomnugler on Friday, April 7, 2006 3:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jkeaton

Why use a permanent magnet for uncoupling, with all the hazards of unintended uncoupling, when electromagnetic uncoupling - turning them only only when needed - is so much neater? For a simple to make, much cheaper than Kadee, and less obtrusive electromagnetic uncoupler, look here:
http://www.xclent.freeuk.com/p87/magnets.htm


Jim
Ottawa

Interesting link. I have to say that in the almost 40 some years I have been a model railroader I have used Kadees exclusivly and have never had a problem that wasn't related to adjustment or poor installation. I prefer the under track permags for the uncouplers.
As far as unwanted uncoupling goes, once again, the warning about steel axles should not go unheeded.
One thing I have also found is that the undertrack magnets can be cut in half and still work properly. Putting these on level sidings where you are not using the delay feature extensivly can help with the problem of pulling cars with steel axles towards the magnets and cuts your installation cost in half. I did this when I was in school to save cash and I think that now that I have gone back into HOn3 that I will be doing it again. This time, however, because of the lighter weight of the cars.
Tom.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 9, 2006 12:06 AM
I have a few magnetic uncoupling magnets on spurs. i only use them where my locomotive wont pass over them because the magnet makes my DCC loco go loco. it honks, and whistles when it passes over a magnet!
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Posted by modelrrern on Friday, November 9, 2007 10:32 AM

scubaterry,

I recently purchased the MicroMark magnets and have them set up on a test track before installing them in my layout. The problem I have with them is that they will open the coupler even with a small load on them going forward. I am using the #5 Kaydee couplers and have their alignment gage. I have played around with putting masking tape between the magnets and rail but that does not help either. Have you had any of those problems? Any suggestions on how to fix it would be appreciated. I want to stay with remote opperations so I would really like to make it work!

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Posted by ss122 on Friday, November 9, 2007 12:20 PM
Eariler this week I read a post that described using littes cylindrical magnets, like 1/8" or less in diameter, pushed into the roadbed, just inside the rails, to uncouple cars. The maker was  kjmagnetics  http://www.kjmagnetics.com/products.asp?cat=13 . He recommended model 24. I haven't tried them, but the price sure is right, you could put them all over the place. Ken
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, November 9, 2007 2:28 PM

If you have steel axles, the uncoupling magnet may attract them enough to create 'uncoupling slack' in unwanted places  - as in between cars you would like to remain coupled.  (In my case, a large percentage of my freight cars are steel - the whole car, not just the axles.)

The (draconian) solution is to eliminate all fixed magnets.  I have been experimenting with mounting under-track magnets on hinges, controllable from the fascia or a control panel (by switch machine, which will probably require some form of counterweighting...)  The alternative, using electromagnets, can get expensive rather quickly!

Some of my operations require me to be able to uncouple in inaccessible places, so the skewer method isn't always a practical solution.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, November 9, 2007 2:47 PM

I never bother with magnetics for uncoupling for the reasons given above.  Also, you can never couple over a permanent magnetic uncoupler (unless it is movable horizontally or vertically), and the visible "between-the-rails" types are unsightly.  I would only use them where manual uncoupling is impossible.  But that's just me.

Mark

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Posted by CascadeBob on Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:23 AM

What is the best way to manually uncouple N scale Kadee magnetic couplers?  Will the bamboo skewer method work or do you need something smaller?  If the skewer method works, how do you manipulate the skewer to get the couplers to uncouple?  I've always used the between-the- rails permanent magnets for uncoupling.

Bob

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Posted by ShadowNix on Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:27 AM

Magnetic is the way to go! 2 yrs ago I switched/started using Kadee's (after a 20 year hiatus in the hobby) I love the magnetic decouplers (I use Kadee's brand, under the track because I use code 83).  I have a few of the electric type too... but have yet to find a place to put them, since I am uncoupling in the yard, staging or sidings.  Oh, if you do need to uncouple, there is a Rix too that has magnets that works OK.  And I agree with others... use Kadee only.  Get rid of the plastic el' cheapo others...they don't work very reliably with the uncouplers!

 

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Posted by Leaky Valley on Saturday, December 1, 2007 10:10 AM

Ken,

Do you remember where you read the post on using the cylindrical magnets, or has anyone else tried them?  Sounds like a good and cheap solution, if they work, for an 11 track yard where none of the 0-5-0 methods have been very satisfactory.  I use code 70 in the yard  and would have to recess the Kadee magnets.  I contacted them and they said magnets for code 83 and 70 were presently on the back burner.  I guess operating with their uncouplers isn't as big a priority for them as making freight cars.

A friend of mine, Bob Warren, had cut Kadee uncouplers into thirds and made them look like part of a walkway across his code 100 yard, and they functioned very effectively.  Kadee also agreed they "could' make their uncoupling ramps shorter and they would work.

Chuck

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Posted by corksean12 on Saturday, December 1, 2007 12:45 PM
Im currently modelling a british railway with european style couplers so this may not be applicable to knuckle couplers but I use a method that is a bit of both of the methods mentioned. I found that a magnetic dart from a childrens dart game works well. I just have to stick it between cars a little bit so details arent damaged as easily.
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Posted by larak on Saturday, December 1, 2007 11:01 PM

Chuck,

www.wondermagnets.com.

Personally, I like them.  There are previous posts about these. Hopefully the search engine will let you find them.

Karl 

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Posted by Walter Clot on Sunday, December 2, 2007 9:25 PM
I use both.  You can get a variety of magnets from the Wal-Mart craft section.  Experiment and see what works for you.  I usually stack the strip magnets two of three deep.  The disc magnets need to be two side by side.  I also cut McDonald's coffee stir sticks into a point for manual uncoupling.  My 2 cents [2c]

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