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Layout plan Mark III... Comments and opinions apreciated

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 AM
Ok Gang based on some very good advice from SpaceMouse and all you guys I have done a redesign..

(Chip I think I had one of those expansions of consciousness, you were talking about [:)])

I have layout out the plan to allow longer runs of mainline, so I can include more passing lanes etc, and larger areas for yards and staging..

At this point I have not added in any yardwork, spurs, passing lanes etc this is just a bare bones to test clearances, overall size and curves..

The curve radii here is 24" min and 25" - 27" for inside and outside curves.. #6 turnouts and 3" min between parallel lines and from track to edge of benchwork..

Do you all think this is workable... It's been stretched out to better work with Chip's post above..

Looking forward to hearing from you all...




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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, August 22, 2005 9:11 AM
I won't be able to get into it until late tonight. Mondays are really long days for me. There are things I see I like and other's well.

I have zero experieince with modern passenger lines, but I have read that 30" is a miniumum radius. You should be able to do this.

Did you see the article in MR about passenger terminals and operations?

Chip

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 9:52 AM
Coyote,

I do like the longer run effect you have created. I know you are still tweaking, so can't tell where or how much psace is between each town. Can I recommend, if it hasn't already, though I know someone stated that the engine would be in one town while the end would still be in the previous, measure how long the typical or longest passenger train will be in actual feet, and make sure to allow that much space between each town. I think this way you will achieve a more realistic look when operating. With the cad program you are using, does it allow you to send a train around the layout? If so see what a time factor will be. I couldn't on mine, but once it was completed, I was lucky, and ended up with about 20 minutes of run time until I cam back to the point I started at, this was a proto speeds of about 15-25 mph on my little granger route. Not sure how fast they ran in the desert back then.

But it does look better. Are you killing the RIP to benchwork idea? [:(]
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Posted by dgwinup on Monday, August 22, 2005 12:34 PM
I liked the first layout a little better, unless this second post is just an 'idea'. The second layout has no yard, no sidings, just roundy-round with a bottleneck at Diablo. A combination of the two would be awesome!

A layout designed for mainline running sometimes is not adaptable to adding sidings. Knowing in advance where the sidings (and yards) will go is important in planning a layout that you will enjoy for a long time.

Of course, if your last post was just a preliminary 'idea', then, in the words of Rosanne Rosannadanna, " Never mind!"

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, August 22, 2005 10:17 PM
Okay,

I think the first challenge will be getting the 30" radius curves. IF you get creative you can do it. Remember you can round the edges of the layout and you can go down to 24" in the aisles as long as you leave your operating areas wide.

The second challenge will be laying out your cities. Look for ways to create scenes in which if you are working one scene, you don't see another. Also, as Dave said, watch your train lengths so that you don't park in one and still be hanging out in another station.

After that it will be locating industrial sidings, yards and staging.

But start with the radii.

Chip

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 11:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SpaceMouse

Okay,

I think the first challenge will be getting the 30" radius curves. IF you get creative you can do it. Remember you can round the edges of the layout and you can go down to 24" in the aisles as long as you leave your operating areas wide.

The second challenge will be laying out your cities. Look for ways to create scenes in which if you are working one scene, you don't see another. Also, as Dave said, watch your train lengths so that you don't park in one and still be hanging out in another station.

After that it will be locating industrial sidings, yards and staging.

But start with the radii.



Chip, I'd love to have 30" curve radii but I think its a pipe dream [V]... 24" wide isles are going to be too small for the OL and I.. I have 27" radii in must place but yes my inside curves are 24" here is where I am at as of tonight.



Although I liked the diagonal isle but I dropped it to gain some space.



P.S. Did you happen to get the mail I dropped you Sir?



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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 11:49 PM
Chip,

On checking it out I might be able to squeaze 30" curve radii into the old benchwork layout ....
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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, August 22, 2005 11:59 PM
I did not get the mail and I think you can get 30" out of the new layout. You should not have any trouble with 24" if it is just a narrows and not an operating area. And your benchwork can curve. I won't be back on until Weds. good luck. I'll try to check email in the morning.

Chip

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