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How many miles does your layout represent?
Posted by mrrdad on Friday, November 27, 2020 9:58 AM

Hello all,

I hope everyone is pulling through this difficult year.

I tried doing a search, but had no luck. How many miles of track goes your layout represent? I've always liked the idea of modeling a small geographical distance, even though I have ample space available.

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:12 AM

I model (HO) my old home town and the Chicago & North Western line that ran through it north and south.  That's four miles approximately.  So the amount of compression is quite modest by most standards since I have well over sixty linear feet of pure main line, with staging yards at either end.  Of course it took only a few minutes for a mainline train - particularly the passenger trains -- to leave and enter the city limits so in that sense mainline trains are kind of a token gesture on the layout, basically there to give the local switcher, the real star of the show, something to worry about.  

What is funny however is that because of the inevitable curves, and the fact that the industries along the tracks at those places were not themselves curved (as some warehouses are by the way), that means that in some areas I have had to practice selective expansion rather than selective compression, and some distances between industries are actually longer on the layout than in reality as a result.  The consequence is that other layout design elements are pushed closer together than I would have liked given the 1:4 compression ratio of scale miles to prototype miles that I have.  The purist in me is bothered but those are the givens I have to deal with.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:27 AM

I gave up on trying to represent reallistic distances after my Dream House layout. That layout was in N scale and had a mainline run of more than 100 feet. It still did not feel like it had a real sense of traveling a distance.

There were three cities on the layout with about 40 feet of trackage between each one.

Since then, I have just had scenic blocks at least the length of a train between cities. The train disappears and comes back in another city. This approach has been satisfactory for my desires.

My next layout will only have two cities with a loop in another room where the train leaves and returns to simulate distance.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:29 AM

I have a small layout with twice-around design,10’x14’.  I had never given it a thought of total distance.  The mainline has 120’ of track which is mostly mountains.  The community is small so maybe 30 to 50 miles to the next city.  I can go into a tunnel and stop on a siding or seriously slow down a train before it emerges from the other tunnel to simulate distance.

My norm is to park a freight on the hidden siding then park a passenger next to it and go with the freight.  Every other train emerging from the hidden track is freight.  A passenger enters the tunnel and a freight comes out.
 

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:41 AM

My layout represents nearly 400 miles of real railroad. It's a little bit compressed here and there.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 27, 2020 10:55 AM

While my STRATTON AND GILLETTE is supposed to be a successful Class A line with thousands of miles of track, my layout represents a very small portion (less than 0.05%) of the railroad.

I don't know why so many freelancers feel like they need to model the whole system, while BNSF modellers are happy modeling one intermodal yard and an interchange track.

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Posted by NorthBrit on Friday, November 27, 2020 11:02 AM

Roseville Station,  Leeds Sovereign Street,  Crown Point Yard and Clarence Dock is around 12 miles of actual railroad,  compressed into a room 11ft by 8ft.  The Stations, Dock and Yard are all in the centre of Leeds.  Hence a built up scenery.

The open scenery section is of favorite places of ours that are in Cumbria and Northumberland areas of Northern England.

 

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Posted by hornblower on Friday, November 27, 2020 12:25 PM

My 18' by 19' double deck layout models a "still independent" version of the  Santa Ana & Newport Railroad in Orange County, California.  The original track plan was roughly "U" shaped running between Newport Beach and Santa Ana along the east side of the "U" and between Newport Beach and Wesminster along the west side of the "U."  The SA&N was purchased by the Southern Pacific and the ends of the "U" were extended northward to connect with the SP main line resulting in a prototypical loop of track around much of north and central Orange County.  I estimate the length of this loop to have been roughly 40 miles.  My layout has only around 6 scale miles of track so I only model a few locations along the loop and compress those scenes as well.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, November 27, 2020 12:36 PM

 Assuming 3rd Plan It calculates the track length correctly, the mainline on my lower level (I haven'd designed the upper deck yet) has close to 1000 feet of track (it shows double that, but it's a double track main). That's without staging, branches, or the main yard. That seems WAY more than it could possibly be, since it just follows around my walls. Using the wall lengths, it's more like 110 feet of track. About 1.8 miles of prototype. The lower level represents and area that, following the track and not the roads, is about 20 miles. The upper deck will have about the same amount of track, but will probably cover a larger overall area on the map because I'm not modeling any towns exactly, so anyone one could be any of 3 or 4 similar ones in the real world. Mostly coal traffic - a breaker, multiple loadouts, from single car truck dumps to multiple car mechanized ones. Maybe a few other things if I can fit them in, but the real area pretty much lived and died by the demand for anthracite coal.

 The club modular layout has around 400 feet of mainline (x2, also double tracked) when the entire system, is assembled at a larger venue, over 6.5 miles. The various modules reflect areas all over the Reading system (not always in map order). 40 car trains don't seem to dwarf the layout, multiples of that size can circulate based on signal aspects and not tie one another up. The 100+ car coal train that gets trotted out oince in a while though, requires careful handling. It will block the engine facility entrance to the East main at one and end block the low grade line exit to the East main (on the opposite side of the layout) at the same time. The tail end occupies the main at the entrance to the low grade line while the head end is already pushing on to the main at the exit - so overtaking this train with a faster one going the same direction takes a lot of dispatcher skill (and no one messing up reading their signals).

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, November 27, 2020 2:26 PM

Well, since my layout basically simulates the distance between the dowtown passenger station and the engine servicing facility which is 8 miles away, I guess that my layout reflects a very small area of real estate.

But, since a double mainline runs around the entire perimeter of the layout, I treat it as if trains are running coast to coast, just like the prototype that my layout represents.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, November 27, 2020 4:01 PM

My layout is freelanced, but with connections to several real railroads.  However, all of the towns on the layout are named after real locations, so...based on that, my layout covers about 180 miles from the shores of Lake Erie to those of Lake Huron and Georgian Bay
In actuality, not counting the double track through all towns, nor the industrial sidings or staging yards, there only about 4 HO scale miles of mainline.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, November 27, 2020 4:16 PM

My new layout plan, which hopefully gets underway soon, will have a double track mainline continuous run of about 450 feet. Close to 300 feet of that will be visable, the rest hidden and providing access to lots of thru staging.

So the visable portion will be about 5 scale miles, but will have some scenic blocks to make it feel like about three times that.

The layout is freelanced but represents only one small city and a few miles of trackage on either side.

The layout will fill a 1500 sq ft space and stage about 30 trains for operating sessions.

Typical freight train lengths will be 35-50 cars. The main freight yard will be about 25 feet (2200 scale feet) long.

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Posted by selector on Friday, November 27, 2020 4:51 PM

I have twinned 96 foot folded loops, which works out to 1.4 scale miles for each of the main tracks.

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, November 27, 2020 5:29 PM

According to 3rd PlanIt I will have 2.3 miles of track on my 5'4" x 12' layout. However, I think that is actually quite deceiving because it includes all of the sidings and the service yard. The actual double mainline run is considerably shorter.

I would love to have long mainlines and large sweeping curves. I'll have to win the lottery first!Smile, Wink & GrinLaughLaugh

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 27, 2020 5:55 PM

hon30critter
I would love to have long mainlines and large sweeping curves.

My fantasy lottery layout would still only model 3 or 4 cities, but there would be residential areas, shopping areas, main streets, city hall, libraries, churches, and schools as well as the railroad served industries. 

There would also be at least 2 scale miles of track between each city.

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Posted by mrrdad on Friday, November 27, 2020 6:39 PM

Thanks for all the interesting responses guys.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, November 28, 2020 3:54 AM

Well, the Maryland and Pennsylvania was some 77 miles.  My layout (currently under construction) includes both ends, greatly compressed and 4 towns in between in S scale.   All in a space of 10.5 x 34 feet (additional room available if needed). I had planned a somewhat larger layout, but recent heart surgury convinced me to scale back and simplify the layout at least for the initial build.

My goal is to capture the flavor of a shortline with short trains that don't run very fast. 

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Posted by rogerhensley on Saturday, November 28, 2020 7:38 AM

Ok, small layout with dimentions of 13' x 14' x 7' x 8'. On it is a modest city, Anderson, and a small town, Westport. In actually, 80 miles apart. The layout winds and goes under the city and winds some more to make it seem like 80 miles. Yeah, right!

In any event, that was what I planned in the early 80s and I keep it running.

 

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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Saturday, November 28, 2020 8:10 AM

mrrdad

How many miles of track does your layout represent?

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'miles' and what you mean by 'represent'.

I have a paper mill in Tennessee right next door to a chemical plant in South Carolina and a limestone slurry facility in Alabama. Down the road is a steel mill in Kentucky adjacent to a dairy farm in upstate New York and an intermodal yard in Atlanta.

Around the bend is a small town in Florida with a few buildings from Wyoming tossed in for fun and a magical mystery mine from who-knows-where. Crossing the high-level long-span bridge over the San Juan River inlet (Florida) takes you through the Wind River Canyon and into the agricultural Big Horn Basin of Wyoming.

The whole shebang sits atop a deep-water harbor based on the Port of Miami and the Port of Los Angeles.

Round trip miles: about 10,000 I suppose. Compressed a little, of course. N-scale.

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Posted by saronaterry on Saturday, November 28, 2020 10:23 AM

About 32 miles from Spooner ,Wi to Cameron, Wi. in the 70's, in a 42x30 basement. The old Omaha line(C&NW Subsidiary), but the BN bought the line so I can run GN,BN,NP ans CB&Q eqipment.

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, November 28, 2020 12:46 PM

I model th BNSF's Pikes Peak Sub.  It is 120 miles long and runs from Denver, Colorado up over the divide and down to Pueblo Colorado/

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, November 28, 2020 7:46 PM

My plan has about 110 feet of mainline run, so just under two miles, I guess?  It is supposed to represent something that would be about four miles.

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Posted by Jetrock on Sunday, November 29, 2020 12:11 AM
I'm modeling an industrial belt line in Sacramento, CA. The prototype length of the area I'm modeling (from the American River to the Sacramento River around downtown Sacramento) is six miles. My HO point to point layout goes around about two-thirds of a 24x11 room, with a mainline run of about 50 feet, or maybe 3/4 or 4/5 of a mile? So the ratio of miles of real railroad to miles modeled is perhaps 6 or 8 to one, but I selectively compressed the right of way to exclude about two-thirds of the trackage where there are no industries or yards. I figure using a 6:1 or 10:1 fast clock to simulate operations (6:1 if I want to be more leisurely) would be about right to simulate a switching turn on my belt line, if I bother using operation more structured than "let's move this boxcar over there"
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Posted by sschnabl on Monday, November 30, 2020 12:34 PM

I'm modeling the CNW Madison Sub in the 1950's from Elroy, WI to Harvard, IL which is about 150 miles.  I would guess my N scale mainline to be about 170 feet or so, which is only a little over 5 scale miles.  

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Posted by Doughless on Monday, November 30, 2020 9:24 PM

With every layout of mine, the distance from one fake town to the other fake town is supposed to be about 25 miles. 

With the current layout that is located in two rooms, the 4 inch thick wall that has a hole punched in it for the trains represents about 23 of those miles.

The towns themselves take up a good amount of the space.  A 15 foot section of rural HO scale track separates each town.  One town is 17 feet long and the other about 25 feet long in a U shaped layout.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:25 AM

Doughless
the 4 inch thick wall that has a hole punched in it for the trains represents about 23 of those miles.

Hi Douglas,

Let's see, 23 miles of track compressed into 4". That's pretty amazing modelling!

Seriously, I'm betting that it works quite nicely. It is a prime example of how well a view block can work.

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Posted by Doughless on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:54 AM

hon30critter

 

 
Doughless
the 4 inch thick wall that has a hole punched in it for the trains represents about 23 of those miles.

 

Hi Douglas,

Let's see, 23 miles of track compressed into 4". That's pretty amazing modelling!

Seriously, I'm betting that it works quite nicely. It is a prime example of how well a view block can work.

Dave

 

Yep, it works well since there is no good way to view the other room while standing in one room.  The train leaves interchange/staging and as it approaches the hole, I step over to the other room. The eyes see the train entering the new room and the mind sees it as being a 24 mile journey, especially since the scenery is a bit different.

View blocks are a good thing.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:44 AM

I have no idea how many miles my layout will represent, but the way it has been designed, there will essentially be separate scenes to give more illusion of distance since most of us can't afford an aircraft hanger for a layout with real distance.

I plan on scene dividers using hardboard that will create corridors of sorts to isoloate scenes and parts of the layout from other parts.  I am not sure how I will mount them yet - still have to work that out.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:47 AM

I have designed a New York Central layout for the up and coming 20th Century Limited. No the train doesn't stop in Ephraim, NY along the Water Level Route within the New York State Thruway system.

In reality I don't really know how many miles I'm modeling since I got the switch tower, semi downtown train station with a warehouse and transfer maybe a REA building. A train yard as it's own add on section. Which can modeled by itself. The only thing is missing abandoned textile mill next to a river.

In conclusion I'll be guessing around 20-30 miles. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:56 AM

Doughless
View blocks are a good thing.

Yes sir. No better way to represent distance in a compressed space than different scenic elements seperated from view from one another.

This works well enough for me.

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