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Track Power and Rain
Posted by MTCarpenter on Friday, June 2, 2006 4:56 AM
If you're running track power, can you run in the rain or just after it rains?

Sorry if this is a dumb newbe question. I did a search for rain, but got a lot of hits for t-rain-s, so it didn't work real well...
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Posted by piercedan on Friday, June 2, 2006 5:22 AM
Yes, you can run in the rain. Wet track gives less traction, you may have to lighten the load.

Damp weather also causes wheel slip under heavy loads.

I run in light sprinkles, not downpours as I am careful not to get any electronics wet.

If you have a non-electronic engine, it can be run .
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Posted by Tom The Brat on Friday, June 2, 2006 9:20 AM
Sure. It works fine.

[img=left]http://www.trains.com/community/forum/icons/smilies/icon_smile_sign_oops.gif[/img=left]One caution. Don't step on the track with your wet, bare foot. It's an exhillerating experience.
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Posted by MTCarpenter on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by piercedan

If you have a non-electronic engine, it can be run .


I've got an Aristo 0-4-0. Guessing that counts as electronic?
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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:23 AM
and make sure your power pac and rc unit are protected from the rain! They don't like wet feet, or even a sip of water!
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Posted by Train 284 on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:25 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Capt Bob Johnson

and make sure your power pac and rc unit are protected from the rain! They don't like wet feet, or even a sip of water!


Yes that is very important. Also, if your rolling stock has metal wheels, don't leave them out in the rain for long periods of time, or the axles will begin to rust.
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Posted by MTCarpenter on Friday, June 2, 2006 1:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MTCarpenter

QUOTE: Originally posted by piercedan

If you have a non-electronic engine, it can be run .


I've got an Aristo 0-4-0. Guessing that counts as electronic?


I guess to clarify, what would be considered a non-electronic engine?
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Posted by Train 284 on Friday, June 2, 2006 3:11 PM
An engine that runs on batteries or live steam.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 2, 2006 3:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Train 284

An engine that runs on batteries or live steam.



Not exactly! An engine that runs on batteries probably has a R/C receiver --which is electronic---somewhere. A Live steamer, if R/C controlled---has electronics.

So, to clarify, I think the best advice is to say "You can run in the rain if....."

a) all electronics in the train are completely sealed from weather

b) all power packs and related train controls are stored in a dry area, preferably using the famous LGB "signal man" method---controller outdoors and transformer indoors. Aristo Craft also makes such a setup, I think Bridgeworks does also.

c) the rain is not a heavy down-pour

d) you are wearing proper feet protection : ^ )

e) there is no chance of lightning striking your pike

any more suggestions?

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Posted by tangerine-jack on Friday, June 2, 2006 4:03 PM
No, that about covers it. Run in the rain all you want to, we of the Garden variety (pun intended) are not whimpy little HO scalers but real model railroaders. If a full sized train runs outside in the rain, then we run outside in the rain.

Just to bring up safety again, DO NOT run the train in a lightning storm, or even be outside during a lightning storm, this is a very STUPID thing to do. I've been on the recieving end of lightning strike and I'll tell you it's nothing to play with. Just wait it out and you'll be fine.

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Posted by MTCarpenter on Friday, June 2, 2006 10:10 PM
Awesome! Thanks for clarifying that folks! Don't think I have much to worry about the rain in Texas, but I was just curious to know what the deal was.

So, now I just have to explain to my wife that I need a live steam engineā€¦ :)
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 3, 2006 2:30 AM
Yes mate;

Jack is quite right, run in the rain all you want; but of course you may well get problems, particularly with the electronics.

We get Monsoons here and i stabled my ICE train in a tunnel; a wall of water came througfh and took the decodrer out of one end.

The idea of what is or is not an electronic engine is pretty simple, if it has a printed cuircuit board in it it is electronic.

The only truly electronic engines i have seen are all LGB, a decoder or a digital sound system will be knocked around by water!


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Posted by piercedan on Saturday, June 3, 2006 5:33 AM
If there is sound, it is electronic.

The newer Aristo models (SD-45, dash9, and some steam engines) have electronic control of smoke and low voltage lights. These should not be run is a hard rain, they need to be sheltered.

Even the age old Bachman 4-6-0 has a sound board in the tender that needs to be kept dry.

The LGB toytrains to date have no electronics.

If an engine has 5 volt lights, sound, or 5 volt smoke units, then there is electronic hardware inside that will not like getting wet.



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Posted by Tom The Brat on Saturday, June 3, 2006 9:31 AM
Was visiting the Polehill's garden in Lena IL a couple years ago when a cloudburst came. The transformers were under the porch roof, so it didn't rain on them. We just turned stuff off and ran for shelter.

When it was done, we just started up again. My 0-4-0 was out in the rain with everything else.

Then we noticed the forgotten Heartland Trolly that had been going back and forth through the whole storm quite happily.



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Posted by MTCarpenter on Saturday, June 3, 2006 12:40 PM
Love the paint on that 0-4-0!
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Posted by Tom The Brat on Saturday, June 3, 2006 1:26 PM
That's road rash, not bird splat on the tender[;)]
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Posted by MTCarpenter on Saturday, June 3, 2006 1:32 PM
Actually I didn't even notice that. I like the green and brass colors with the white line down the side.
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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:45 AM
Gee Torby, I thought you were striving for a new level of realism! After all, the seagull don't care if its 1:1` or 1:29; He's just flying along doing his thing!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 3:50 PM
Ah yes, then there was the gent who had a garden railroad in his back yard and his pet sea gull never defaced any of the rolling stock.
One day he noticed his pet had a friend - which has nice because one good tern deserves another.

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rather than to have never loved atall.
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Posted by tangerine-jack on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:26 PM
I saw a dromedary when I was in Iraq whose fur was an amazingly close match in color to the desert sand, and he was almost impossible to see. The locals called him 'the invisible dromedary', but in reality he wasn't invisible; he was just really well camel-flaged.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:49 PM
Has anyone ever seen a camel that wasn't a dromedary; i think i sawa Bactrian camel once when i was a kid; had two humps.


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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:12 PM
After thinking of 1:1 scale seagull doo and 1:29 trains, it's a good thing elephants can't fly!
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Posted by Tom The Brat on Monday, June 5, 2006 9:04 AM
Puns are such fun!

Gertrude started as a Nappa Valley 0-4-0 I got on ebay for $40. I figured on painting it black when it arrived, but was rather taken with the wine red and gold coloring. Friends teased my about my pink loco. I bought some PolyScale "signal green" and "steam power black." The green was brighter than I had in mind so I used an old ink syringe to add about 10ml of black to the little bottle of green. I decided to preserve the gold smokebox and domes. It's a fairly quick brush paint job. Some polyscale colors brush very nicely, but others.... I put the white line 'cause it just needed something there. Stan Cedarleaf made the gold decals for me.





The front railing was broken, so I replaced it with a piece of brass rod and a couple "nuts" from Ozark Mineatures.

A friend in Macomb has it on a shelf in her book store for decoration and conversation piece. Since I've had to move 3 times in 2 months, I think that's not a bad place for it[;)]
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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Monday, June 5, 2006 5:31 PM
For Art & TJ,
A thief in Paris planned to steal some paintings from the Louvre.
After careful planning, he got past security, stole the paintings
and made it safely to his van However, he was captured only two
blocks away when his van ran out of gas.

When asked how he could mastermind such a crime and then make such
an obvious error, he replied:

"Monsieur, I had no Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh."

(And you thought I lacked De Gaulle to send you a story like this?)

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