I'm starting to not like this yellow company

[tangerine-jack]

Yes, Capt, I know it's a brand name, I'll probably get sued for using it without permission or the circled R, but it's prounounced "duck tape", no T in it down here! Lots of T in England, however[swg]

[#ditto]You hit it on the head Bob, it's a great day outside, the heat wave has subsided and I'm going to weed the railroad and run my trains around, including the Chessie 44 tonner, and let the lawyer's break thier heads over copywrites while I enjoy corporate logos in the back yard.

[oX)]

[Capt Bob Johnson]

TJ,
Duck Tape is but one brand name for duct tape. There are those who don't realize, or care to know the difference..

All,
UP the UP, It's a nice day out so I'm gonna go play with my trains!

[powlee]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tangerine-jack


Ian, in defence of Marty and North American RRs, we don't get much news on this side of the pond about similar circumstances in Europe. I for one am interested in the rest of the world and the goings on of foreign companies as they will eventualy affect what we do here. If you have any news to share, then please post it so we can all learn and be better for it. Does British Rail and others do this sort of thing?



[oX)]

TJ
I am unaware of the same type of problems this side of the pond. Lima produce mainly diesel locos in 00. They seem to have a new model out in a new logo even before the 1:1 loco appears. There is a massive variety even if only short runs.
British Rail does not really exist anymore since the breakup into private companies so there is not any bar on liveries applied to BR based models. It is our heritage after all.
The die-cast motor vehicles occasionally run into problems. They bring out a new model while still negotiating with the company and have to withdraw it.
e.g Her Majesty`s Royal Crest.
Some leak out and immediately become collector`s items at inflated prices.



Would I be in trouble for publishing one of my holiday pics on this website without the company`s permission?

All the best
Ian P (northern hemisphere) Although we are both in the same country at the moment. [#welcome] to England Ian

[TrainFreak409]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Curmudgeon

Since the color is right (urine yellow), just change the lettering to "Utterly Pathetic" and see what the law-yahs say.

How about "Useless Power?"[8D]

[railroadyoshi]

This is so amusing
btw, i think vsmith has sumed it up well

And i do like the tape
how about
outrageous (as in hilarious) pun?

[vsmith]

LOtus

None of us here HATE Uncle Pete, its Uncle Petes rabid lawyers that has a burr under our saddles!

BNSF has taken almost the exact opposite approach to this issue about logo and logo infringement. They have quitely worked out several agreements with model makers but they have doen so in a way outside of the public eye, where UP's lawyers seam to reli***he public spectacle of sueing people and doing so in a very heavy handed way. Thats what has people up in arms.

Personally I see this whole debacle over logo infringment as being the cooked up scheme of their legal department, a grand "make work" scheme that will allow them to bill Uncle Pete for legal fees for years to come, they really dont give a wet slap about model RR companies or calenders showing the logo, or the negative public image their actions are comveying, all they see is a way to keep the checks rolling in from Accounts Payable, thats all they are truely concerned about.

The result, Uncle Pete looks like the "Grinch the Stole the Christmas Tree Trainset" while BNSF can claim "shock" that UP has been so aggressive over "such a small matter".

[tangerine-jack]

I don't think anybody has an agenda against UP, they are just in the forefront at the moment so naturaly conversation would revolve around this company. What they are doing is no different than most other companies have a HISTORY of doing. In the model RR field, I think Chessie caused a stir about 20 years ago, but most roads like the free advertising models of thier equipment get. This will blow over in a short time as they all do.

Ian, in defence of Marty and North American RRs, we don't get much news on this side of the pond about similar circumstances in Europe. I for one am interested in the rest of the world and the goings on of foreign companies as they will eventualy affect what we do here. If you have any news to share, then please post it so we can all learn and be better for it. Does British Rail and others do this sort of thing?



[oX)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rastun

Capt.

This should be some enlightening reading for you then. http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32214
You should be fine with your raod name Capt.

UP is not alone on this most companies would sue you for making money on their name and logo. Try it and find out.

[Anonymous]

Please people, why don't you pick on Amtrak, or CSX? They charge for licensing. UP is one of the most successful railroads they are doing something right. Why do you hate them?

[Anonymous]

Well Marty after travelling halfway across the world i still cannot see much in what you have to say.Have you ever made a comment aqbout anything that isnnt American.There is more to the world you know. regrds ian

[tangerine-jack]

Hey all, its DUCK TAPE in the South, just in case you have a duck that needs taping[;)]


I'll stand by you Marty, lawyers don't scare me. Something about the first amendment........ If they display a copywrited logo on thier equipment, then put that equipment on public display, then they are opening themselves up to having that logo displayed on public forums, such as the newspaper and TV.
By placing said logo on merchandise for public purchase, it is understood that they then have no control over further use of the item, in other words, they got thier money once at the time of purchase. If a logo bearing item subsequently apears in a photo such as ones that Marty takes, then it's too bad for the UP.
To gain the level of control over thier logo that the UP seems to want, then the UP needs to cover all thier equipment with DUCK TAPE, not the modeler.[soapbox]



[oX)]

[vsmith]

I say relabel to "Onion Pacifier!"

I have to agree with Marty, how long before Uncle Pete sends his Stormtrooper lawyers the Nebraska? After all, Marty has had his layout in GR, on the MLS calender, and on these forums, most often with legitimantly purchased Aristo and USA items with UP livery on promanant display, it doesnt matter that Marty purchased them for his own personal use, it doesnt matter that he's just a hobbiest who likes to share uncannily reaslitic pictures of his trains on his layout, hes not making a dime off of his pictures, UP's lawyers will just see there logo being displayed without them getting their "Protection Money", their "Cut".

Going after model makers is one thing, but when they start going after guys who take photos for calanders (happened in Canada) whats next? Are they going to start going after guys who simply show photos of legitamitly purchased models on websites or magazines? Will it get that seriously stupid? Knowing UP's crack legal team and their past actions, YES! It fear it will!

[Capt Bob Johnson]

Torby
It's duct tape if you're a redneck, Black Elect. tape if you're upper crust, and blue masking tape if you're a midwestern tradesman!

[Tom The Brat]

Duct tape forever! Of course, black electrical tape might look a little nicer.[:-,]

[jnichols]

Oh look, another UP bashing thread (by someone who apparently has UP locomotives no less).... [zzz]

So while you are putting UP in a special spot on your mantle, why not go after every large corporation in this country that has fought for trademark rights? Seems to me like making UP out to be something special in this regard is kind of ridiculous, but to each his own I suppose... [;)]

[kstrong]

One major difference between Congress and the UP--we don't elect the UP board. Since we're neither customers nor shareholders of the railroad, they have little--if any--incentive to care how they look to the general public. Funny, as much as I think the recent $11 million verdict against them was excessive, there's a big part of me that smiles and says "you reap what you sew."

Perhaps we could convince Kalmbach to launch a hostile takeover bid... [}:)]

Later,

K

[grandpopswalt]

Ahhhh ………. The wonders of unbridled capitalism.

I don’t know if any of you receive Left-wing e-mail urging you to write to your representatives about a number of issues that they feel the Right is doing to harm us (Tom DeLay, Karl Rove, The Patriot Act, Social Security etc, etc). Apparently these letter-writing campaigns are proving to be quite successful. Maybe we should start a campaign of our own aimed at the UP. Letters to newspapers, potential shippers, LS retailers, manufacturers, etc. with copies to the UP board might make them squirm a little.

Walt

[Rastun]

Capt.

This should be some enlightening reading for you then. http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32214
You should be fine with your raod name Capt.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Marty Cozad

A pair of yellow/gray locos head out with a heavy load.


Maybe I should wrap this in a tarp????

I suspect I know this...but what is the skinny on this issue.

That is why I went for the N&MRR...this will likely never happen to me!

[Anonymous]

I just wish UP would embrace the free promotion.... Marty write UP and ask them if they would like to fly their colors and logo for a fee on your layout[:D]

[Slick]

"The Onion Pacific"? Yes, since they seem to bring tears to my eyes..... What an unfortunate lack of work for the copy-write lawers..... no ill will to those who don't deserve it.

[Anonymous]

Never really did since I did not like the way they gobbled up their "friendly neigboring railroads"

mikadousrp

[Capt Bob Johnson]

LOVE IT, LOVE IT

Your tounge in cheek pictorial satire is superlative! I wonder if they all were taped up at point of packaging, would the Ultimate Pennypinchers still be able to collect? Then they guy at home could take the tape off (unbeknownst to the manufacturer or retailer) and screw them out of the ill gotten loot.

[Curmudgeon]

Since the color is right (urine yellow), just change the lettering to "Utterly Pathetic" and see what the law-yahs say.

[Rastun]

Might be easier to just get out a can of black spray paint Marty.

[Marty Cozad]

A pair of yellow/gray locos head out with a heavy load.


Maybe I should wrap this in a tarp????