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Posted by tomtrainman on Monday, September 21, 2009 5:57 PM

I'm having electrical problems with my aristo switches causing shorts were they should not. Checked polarity, diodes, all connections are good.
 Any thoughts?    tom r.

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Posted by ttrigg on Monday, September 21, 2009 7:18 PM

Have you done any digging (weeding with sharp knife) that might have clipped the buried wires causing the short?  From reading your post, am I correct in saying that it is happening to all your turnouts?  If so did it happen all at once to them all?  If it is happening to several all at once, I would look to the “control panel”.

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Posted by tomtrainman on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:36 PM

Hi: Yes the problem came up out of the blue.I don't really have a control panel.Its just a power supply in a small tool box. the only control is my hand held remote. pretty simple.
 It is a aristo switching power supply. I guess it could have a bad diod or something?
 thanks for the reply.   Tom r.

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Posted by lownote on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:05 PM

 What size switches are they? if it's the number six switches then it is probably the microswitch they use to control polarity to the frog. Aristo sells a replacement. You can also just leave the frog electrically dead is your locos are long enough

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Posted by tomtrainman on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:18 PM

YEA! I found the problem was the with the micro switch.Plus when I was doing the trouble shooting. I accedently got one set of leads crossed. Which made the problem worse. SO, I fired my electrician. But then I had to rehire myself.
 Thanks for the input. Tom R.Cool

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Posted by ttrigg on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:57 PM

Sounds like the FUBAR from Evil

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Posted by spikejones52002 on Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:41 PM

 Where are Micro-switches on Aristo switches??????????????

I have several dozen aristo switches and none have micro switches.

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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:38 PM

Spike, how many are #6 switches???   there is a pin on the bottom of the moveable track which contacts a push lever mounted underneath, that little push lever on a 1/2 X 3/8 or so box.   that box is the microswitch.

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:37 PM

 

The pin is the corroded bluish thing right above the number 4

The microswitch is the rectangular thing to the right of the number 3 with the corroded wires coonected to it...

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Posted by DMUinCT on Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:49 AM

The original Aristo-Craft Micro Switch for the #6 switch can be bought at Radio Shack (same brand). OR, you can buy a new, waterproof replacement Micro Switch direct from Aristo-Craft.

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Posted by spikejones52002 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:47 AM

I do not Know what # aristo Switch. Most of my switches are 10ft diam.  The others are 20ft diam. The micro switch should be on all their switches. All my switches have a shorting out problem.

Problem I will have to pay to correct their problems.

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Posted by dwbeckett on Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:44 AM

Spike If you post a track diagram it would help to determine what your problem is. Did you add anything to your layout or do you have Reverse loop's? I had one that I insulated both the turn and the end, leaving the point's control the switch power.  BTW the #6 switch is the one you are using with your 20ft dia. and are the only one's with the MICROSWITCH. are your switchs new or old

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Posted by spikejones52002 on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:09 PM

Right now I have a double 10 ft Dia. loop around my ceiling. I have two interchange tracks with 10 ft Dia. switches.

Every engine I attempt to change loops short out. Continue movement on the same loop with my MTH engines with the rail wiper also short when I go against the switch, Both straight and crossing over.

Removing the wipers corrected that problem.

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Posted by dwbeckett on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:51 AM

Spike, are you using two power source's? If so you may need to check out your wiring. If you are running one power source and your loops are directional, one east,one west and you are only using one pair of leads to feed both tracks then you have a wiring problem. Do any other brands of engines have the same problems. I use Aristo, USAT, and B-Mann and all have there own querks.

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Posted by spikejones52002 on Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:38 PM

yes My Aristo SD - 45 and RS's and others. The problem is that Aristo switches are made with a large gap at the frog. The rail wipes drop down into the gap and short between the rails. By eliminating the rail wipers I do not have the problem. The micro switch Aristo is now installing corrects the problem also. My switches are before Aristo installed the electrical switches.

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Posted by Capt Bob Johnson on Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:23 PM

Spike, the ones you refer to as 10 foot don't have the micro switches!  Only the #6 switches have them, they are the ones that are 3 feet long.

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:52 PM

Correct me if I am wrong everybody.......Aristo track now carries a life-time Guarantee, I do believe.....

Anyway..... I have always been given the Micro switches and connected wiring for free from Aristo, when ever I requested one, for the shorting problem. I had two short out so bad, they melted every tie where the screws connected to the track rails, sent'em back and was sent two complete brand new switches.....I mean... the whole complete #6 switch tracks, not just the little Micro switches.... Brand spank'en new ones, they even payed all the shipping charges.

Just Call them, and ask in advance for a pick-up ticket to be sent to ya, and they will send ya a UPS sticker, just pack-it up and put the sticker they provide on it and call UPS ta pick it up right at yer place, they pay for all the shipping too.....Now, mind ya though.... it pays ta have a few extra switches on hand, just in case....... so's yer line won't have ta be down during the WAIT-TIME.

I got about 14 er 15 of 'em in my line right now, plus another 8 ta 10 for future expansion projects, an a couple'a #6 Y's also.

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Posted by spikejones52002 on Friday, October 2, 2009 3:28 PM

I would like to have the connections you have. I have complained about the shorting problem to Aristo until I was Blue in the face.

I had a problem with their new Live steam engine. I got one of the first on the market. It had a boiler leak.  It cost me $50.00 to return it for repairs.

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Posted by EMPIRE II LINE on Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:36 AM

spikejones52002

I would like to have the connections you have. I have complained about the shorting problem to Aristo until I was Blue in the face.

I had a problem with their new Live steam engine. I got one of the first on the market. It had a boiler leak.  It cost me $50.00 to return it for repairs.

Well all I can maybe guess at this point in time, is that the economy and the GOOD OL'American corporate greed factor may have taken over......I had never had any problems getting through to them in times past.....But now everyone is installing those ignor you answering systems and that may well be what they too, have done.....From what you are all indicating here now......So I'll maybe try and contact someone there next week myself, and just check the situation out and see if it's really as bad as you all are saying it is now.......

Byron 

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Posted by EER on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 4:49 PM
I recent bought four 10' diameter (wide) manual switches. One of them had a short caused by the bare wire contacting the terminal for the other rail. Taking the bottom cover off under the frog immeadiately showed what the problem was. A gentle bend (like the other switches had) of the wire cleared the problem. I would suggest checking for such things (and loose screws) before installing in the layout. My previous purchase of four short radius remote control switches turned out to have three out of four non-functioning remote switch machines. A little disassembly and and fiddling got one to work so I had two working and two not. One failed after a week or so. I've rearranged the layout so I can easily reach all of them and operate all manually.
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