Passenger car's for Bachmann K27...

[Mr_Ash]

I got 1 coach finished (North Star #631) its got a D&RGW roof now with green clerestory windows and I got the underframe & trucks painted (black) the added details really stand out and the ozark end railings look alot better than even the metal ones bachmann puts on there cars now do! I think I am going to use an LGB baggage car insted of bachmann (Just like how they look better) ill just have to replace its end railings with the ozark ones so it looks the same as the Bmann combine following it. For the tail car Alamosa Im going to use spray on automotive tint for the clerestory windows to make them alot darker insted of pinkish orange. I also want to have the handbrake folded down on the back like the real ones do shouldnt be to hard to do, think I already mentioned the lighted LGB caboose marker lights im putting on it / had on another car already hrm what else...

Oh yeah a car before the passenger cars... I already said flanger car, im ordering teh rest of the parts i need to finish the one im already building with the K because I would like to finish it reguardless of how it looks with teh K because I built it for my RGS Annie! Anyway how do the LGB wood boxcar/reefer compare to the Bachmann ones size wise? (big hauler not 1:20)

Southwest Chief... You have the coolest collection of D&RGW equipment

[kstrong]

Now that I've been thinking about the scale issues, the LGB/Bachmann cars might look better behind the K-27 then the 2-8-0 since the K-27 is longer.  This length will stretch out the scale discrepancy and make it less noticeable.  It also helps that the K-27 tender is not that massive squatty thing the 2-8-0 comes with.

Except that the K-27 completely dwarfs the B'mann 2-8-0, which would only emphasize the scale difference. Note in the photos above that the roof of the 1:22 passenger cars barely come over the top of the 2-8-0's "squat" tender. The K-27's tender is every bit as wide, and taller to boot. You'd barely be able to see the passenger cars behind the loco. I also think the length of the loco would emphasize the shortness of the smaller passenger cars, rather than blend them in.

Later,

K

[Southwest Chief]

Southwest Chief - Thanks for the pic's! Those coaches look great IMO Are those also LGB car's behind the C16? Also what did you use for the 2nd black stripe

Happy to share them

Yep, the green coach behind the C-16 is a repainted LGB "closed" vestibule coach.  Looks like this:

 

I'm glad you noticed the double stripes, not too many people notice them. 

After building the Silver Vista, I wanted an early 1950s Silverton "painted train" to match.  So I took the "new" LGB D&RGW coaches (combine 212, and coach 320) and painted the underframes, platforms, and trucks Scalecoat II Aluminum.  Then I added Evergreen strip styrene for the second black stripe.  I'm not sure exactly which size I used, but it is very close to the existing stripe on the LGB cars.  Just cut strips to fit between the windows and such and glue directly to the car body.  I then brush painted the "extra" stripe and grabirons with PollyScale Steam Power Black.

Here's the "painted train" with the Silver Vista:

 

 

Now that I've been thinking about the scale issues, the LGB/Bachmann cars might look better behind the K-27 then the 2-8-0 since the K-27 is longer.  This length will stretch out the scale discrepancy and make it less noticeable.  It also helps that the K-27 tender is not that massive squatty thing the 2-8-0 comes with.

However if any company made a plastic K-27 in 1:22.5 scale, I'd buy 2 right now no questions asked

[Mr_Ash]

Southwest Chief - Thanks for the pic's! Those coaches look great IMO Are those also LGB car's behind the C16? Also what did you use for the 2nd black stripe

vsmith - I'll have a couple of the LGB closed vestibule cars soon, from the looks they should be about the same length as the Bachmann car's plus with the vestibules they should even appear longer lol

Thought of a way to make the size of the loco & cars not be as noticable... FLANGER CAR

I'll have to build another one though I think my first one would be to small

[vsmith]

LGB is slightly larger than Bachmann, if you can find the closed vestibule models LGB made several years ago, They are shorter versions of the new AMS closed vestibule cars and look very much like the cars currently under use on the D&S railroad. The LGBS would likely look best behing the K.

[Southwest Chief]

You wouldnt by chance have any pictures of that 2-8-0 + LGB coaches would you?

I have these two, but unfortunately they were shot at an angle so the scale difference would be minimal.  When they were taken the goal was to hide the discrepancy, and in these 2 you can hardly notice it.

 

The second photo is an interesting one in that both locos are 1:20.3 scale while the passenger cars are 1:22.5.  In real life the C-16 #278 is actually narrower then passenger cars.  But you might notice in the photo that it appears to be the same width.  One of the weird quirks when mixing scales.  The 1:20.3 C-16 looks great with 1:22.5 equipment.  Of course in real life they were tiny locos.

Look at these two links where the C-16 displays that it's narrower then the freight cars behind it:

C-16 268

C-16 278 

[Mr_Ash]

Heres some LGB vs Bachmann coach pic's... okay so its not 3 inches longer... for being pretty much exactly the same size the bachmann cars sure do look bigger 

[Mr_Ash]

Well I plan on running the other engines more than the K27... I have plans to park the K on my fireplace mantel under a 16" x 21" picture of 464 that I still need to frame..

I understand the car's wont look perfect but but I think they will look okay, I can live with them not being the right width. I dont want to spend a alot more money on car's that I would only be running with the K plus those things are HUGE would take up to much storage room

You wouldnt by chance have any pictures of that 2-8-0 + LGB coaches would you?

 

[Southwest Chief]

It's a good plan, and a fairly economical one too.  But you might not like the looks of the 1:22.5 Bachmann J+S coaches behind the 1:20.3 K-27

While the Accucraft cars are longer, the most important aspect I've seen when mixing and matching 1:20.3 with 1:22.5 equipment is the width.  The overall volume is key too, but the width seems to be the most obvious difference.

With the 1:20.3 K-27 pulling Bachmann J+S coaches you'll notice right away that something doesn't look right.  The coaches will be a lot narrower, and just something about them won't look right when coupled to the K-27.  If it's a longer train this scale disparity will diminish toward the rear of the train.  But that first car coupled to the loco/tender is where the problem looks the worse.

I noticed this scale discrepancy when I first placed our 4 car San Juan (made from 1:22.5 LGB coaches) behind a Bachmann 1:20.3 2-8-0.  The 2-8-0 is 1:20.3 scale and a relatively small 1:20.3 loco at that.  But the width and simple volume difference were obvious.  And the LGB and Bachmann J+S coaches are essentially the same width.

The K-27 is larger then the 2-8-0, so the scale issues I noticed with the 2-8-0 will be magnified with the larger K-27.  

It's up to you, but I just wanted to warn you about the potential scale issues.

I didn't think it would be so bad, but once you see the loco/tender hanging over the tracks a lot more then the coaches behind it, it doesn't look all that realistic.  This actually might be realistic for other roads (I'm not sure), but D&RGW narrow gauge coaches were pretty much the same width as the locos and tenders.  Even the "giant" K36 and K37s.

[Mr_Ash]

Yeah im going to order K27 464 next week after I get paid and I really dont feel like feel like getting anything else in 1:20 because the only other engines im really planning to get is an Aristo C-16 268 bumblebee and maybe a couple more Bachmann Annies so I plan on using Bachmann J&S coaches that I already have with more detail added to them for the K27 because its just going to haul passengers like the real 464 does these days on the Huckleberry RR in Flint MI

I have seen pic's of the Accucraft ones next to a LGB coach and they are alot shorter but the Bachmann coaches are about 3 inches longer than the LGB ones plus the door's are taller... IDK... Im just looking at pic's of the Accucraft and real coaches and trying to copy the details to my Bachmann coaches with parts from ozark (railings grab irons roof vents ext) 

I Plan on using 4 car's... Baggage Car, Combine 202, Coach 631 "North Star", Coach 350 "Alamosa". The Baggage & Combine are as is but the two coaches are from the Durango & Silverton passenger set and Im just going to swap the roof's with two D&RGW J&S cars to change the roadname also adding lighted LGB lanterns to coach 350. Since the baggage car has no number I want to make it look like this with a walkway ontop like the LGB Drovers Caboose

Durango & Silverton coach roof's will be going on a Combine & Coach numbered Combine 213 (Home Ranch) and Coach 312 (Silverton)

Link to those pic's of the Accucraft vs LGB coaches (scroll down a couple posts)

And here's a pic of a LGB vs Bachmann car end, Ill get some more pictures today when I get home from work to show the length differnce