So miss understood

[ttrigg]

Marty;

Saw the "snow" post, almost LMAO.

I'll admit, I got a little "fiesty" myself. Someone over there was threatening to go to HO (oviously meaning he was leaving N) looking for something that made smoke. I chimed in about taking it outside to the garden. Even went so far as to make a comment about leaving the transformers behind and running on live steam with real smoke. (OK I appoligise to all the Live Steamers here and anywhere, as I probably let my alligator mouth overload my humming bird a[censored], especially since I've only just begun in the GRR (almost totally LGB).

Sorry, just could not help myself.

[John Busby]

Hi smcgill
When did you get a coal fired loco for the garden[:D]
Thats something else we can have if the buget will cope with it.
Thanks for reminding me of what I cannot afford but hey its nice to dream[^]
regards John

[John Busby]

Hi troy
Whats a tram[swg]
Did you get those pictures of the Kalgoorlie tram and trailer??
regards John

[smcgill]

No coal! [:(] That would be cool!!
I do have a MTH 3rd rail and I could only run it (smoke ) for 5 min. before the smoke alarm went off!!
I Run my shay all day with the smoke and do not even think of the smoke alarm!!
Some thing a boute cool weather and smoke!!

[tangerine-jack]

John, I think a "tram" is a big bus that runs on rails...[(-D]

In all honesty, I have a small (2x8) HO RR inside, mostly for the inclement weather days and also so as not to waste all that money I spent on the HO stuff. I've been in the garden about 4 years now, and there is no going back! I'm starting to look at it more like Marty, with quality now becoming important to me now that I have the basic RR established. My move to wireless has greatly improved my operations, I now have a timetable and 5 different routes supporting two trains. My scenery is constantly changing, and yes, the pine needles, slugs, ants, leaves, rain, heat, cold, snow, and other unexpected natural occurances can be irritating, but isn't that what the real RR's had to put up with to get the trains through?

TOC is dead on with his views, but we each have our own likes and dislikes to throw in the mix. I also don't see any purpose for detailed undersides, and I know the value of good trackage and wiring. I am moving towards more realism, but I will never abandon my "looks r-e-a-l nice" trains. I originaly moved outdoors to escape all the superdetailing-prototype-or-die headaches. I am at a point now where both worlds are coexisting very nicely. I expect that come spring, my rolling stock will be much improved in looks and performance after winter upgrades.

In other words, I'M HAVING BUCKETS OF FUN AND I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY THINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![(-D][:-,][:D][:D]



[oX)]

[Capt Bob Johnson]

Don't know as I could add anything that hasn't already been so properly stated; so I'll just "Ditto".

[John Busby]

Hi Tangerine Jack
Realism it rains you get wet its hot you reach for a refreshment you need a shovel to build a railway.
how much more real do you want[:D]
Seriously realism can be an interesting descusion in its self it don't just rely on that car being 22' long and 9' wide just like the real one and detailed to the enth degree.
regards John Busby West Australia

[GP-9_Man11786]

Being into G Scale and 3-Rail O Gauge, I have often been accused of not caring about scale. My response is to turn around and tell them that scale is over-rated. This will just about send the small scale guys into convulsions. For me, it stops being fun when we start obsessing. I say if it looks good, run it!

[Tom The Brat]

hehe I like that. "Scale is overrated."

[Marty Cozad]

As John said
"I am at a point now where both worlds are coexisting very nicely."
I to talk alot about modeling and detail and the 20 ft rule.
My point is openness by others.
I was watching a cool N scale layout the other week and the trains and layout design was great.
Matter-of-fact I had copied measurements off of some of his buildings once to build mine.
I have photos of one small HO layout that was at the last GATS show that gave me so many ideas I just stood there and stared.
No where are those photos????

[Tom The Brat]

hehe I've done that. Come back from seeing some really cool layouts with some nice features, and not one photo showing any of the features[D)]

[Marty Cozad]

WOOW
I thought I'd share this here beings I have a thread running.
Few weeks ago i was roofing a ladies house who works with the city wide photo contest. Shes in some photo clubs , etc
she told me I should try and enter .
I have never done anything other than train type contest.
i figured what the hay? I can share the hobby and maybe get a ribbon.
I guess everyone gets a ribbon for entering.
Cost me about $60 to print and mate the photos.
I made sure that the name tag had
Garden model trains
So folks know that this is more than just a railfan shot.
So today I finally had time to go to the library, of which I have not been for years.
And

My Aristo Steam shot came in 1st in its catogary


The busting snow one that was on MLS calendar got 2nd
and the water fall at Hensons got 3rd.
over 300 photos and it took awhile to find mine.
Maybe some one will call and want to get into the hobby or visit.

[Anonymous]

frist i would like to thank marty for the pic's he posted on the model railroad foram ( that bridge is amazing). i am in HO now but some day i am going to do a G scale railroad. i have put some thought into the track plan and i want a bridge to span a creek in my back yard . i didn't think it was posabul till i saw your pic's . so i just wanted to give you a little thanks for your time in posting the pic's [:D]

[bman36]

Hey guys,
Now this is quite the thread. Been busy here the past few days. My pet peeve as a kid was when my parents would not let me take my HO stuff outside. I insisted it it needed to be in REAL scenery. Kinda' funny to look back and realize that at age nine indoor model RRing was not fulfilling for me. Ever since I discovered this big stuff a few years back , model RR'ing has very much come alive for me. Finally I get to play in the dirt again. Never have I ever found so much enjoyment from my trains. For me this is what it is all about. Any time we have friends over they all seem to look in amazement at my little layout....."Outdoors?!....cool!" Many have stories of layouts from their earlier years and comment on how going outdoors just looks way better. I could'nt agree more. Thanks for the photos Marty. Very encouraging to see. Later eh...Brian.

[Tom The Brat]

At age 12, I was getting a little tired of N gauge indoors. Spent lots of time drawing and thinking about how to make track and a train for outside about so big. Even found a cool book, "Build Your Own Model Railroad" where he used copper bars for rails and set them into notches in the ties. Never came up with a plan for making track that Dad thought was doable. He was a pretty inventive guy.

G is about the size I had in mind, though I'm still not outside.

Marty! That's a well deserved 1st! The greenish light behind the smoke really makes the photo.

[RhB_HJ]

Well Gang,

When I was 6 (1951) our neighbour had an old Egger Bahn (??) set with - if I remember correctly - at least two engines, a bunch of side dump cars, track, a few switches and miscellaneous other items.
Now, this was larger than the Egger Bahn that is electric and runs on 9mm gauge. This was wind-up!

Well since our house had a much larger sand box and numerous Dinky cars of the right scale, the action happened in our garden. Modeled after the quarry line that ran about 300m from our house and was hauling clay to a brick and tile plant.
Too bad my dad wouldn't let me have the camera back then - usually when we headed for the quarry we'd get home dirty enough to be hosed down [;)][:D][:D] - it would have made for some good pictures. Neat little FRR engines and plenty of side dump cars with link and pin couplers.

[wchasr]

Ok since I almost never come over here (too many forums so little time online) I'm just cathcing up on this topic. I would agree that at times the smaller scale guys seem to tune us right out. Sometimes for very good reasons & sometimes totally not so good reasons. Sometimes it is simply a mater of I am interested BUT I've got all my brain power, heart adn soul tied inot this HO scale layout and now you show me this wonderful stuff. It's a migraine waiting to happen I tell you! So these guys are just protecting their own sanity. Really!

Now me I grew up never being satisfied with the HO stuff my dad would let me play with and then got inot RC cars becuase model cars just sat and collected dust on the shelf. Started to work at a hobby shop as a young adult and found out about Large scale trains what an eye opener! I originally justifed my first LGB set as "the train around the tree". It was only ever around one tree I believe? LOL! Many others have been though! Those that want to will be impressed the rest will enver get the family that is Large scale garden trains!

[tmcc man]

Hey Marty,
just wondering if you remember meeting two guys named Tom Weaver, and Pete Eggink. Pete came and ran his RDC at your house. The both belong to my garden railroad club, and i am good friends with them

[Feather]

So, let me see if I understand this. I have real rocks, dirt, hills, flowing water, trees, grass, all outside. I have a modest operating system to be sure, but I operate whenever I can.

And somehow, a dried weed that has colored ground foam glued on is more "realistic?"

I missed something, I think.

I attended an operating session of a local HO club, intending to join. Why not? It would be fun, and I would probably learn something. Everyone was very welcoming, until they learned that my layout was out in the garden. After that, the friendly welcome seemed to have disappeared.

Sad.

SteveF

[RhB_HJ]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Feather

So, let me see if I understand this. I have real rocks, dirt, hills, flowing water, trees, grass, all outside. I have a modest operating system to be sure, but I operate whenever I can.

And somehow, a dried weed that has colored ground foam glued on is more "realistic?"

I missed something, I think.

I attended an operating session of a local HO club, intending to join. Why not? It would be fun, and I would probably learn something. Everyone was very welcoming, until they learned that my layout was out in the garden. After that, the friendly welcome seemed to have disappeared.

Sad.

SteveF

Gee Steve, [;)][:)]

You must have shocked those poor HO guys. [:p][:)][:)]

Seriously, it doesn't matter if you start at the top of the scale ladder (Large Scale) or at the bottom (Z Scale), the "other guys" will always be slightly suspect.
One could compile a stereotypical perception table, showing what each scale group thinks of the other scale groups. With suitable subcategories for such things as traction, narrow gauge etc. etc. [;)][:o)][:)]

My suggestion to fix your problem: invite them over for an operating session on your layout and see what happens.

I used to get a lot of ribbing since I model Swiss proto, but one or two operating sessions fixed that problem; they were too busy running the railroad to be making "cute remarks".
The "man, are these cars tiny" stopped when they were concentrating to find the car numbers in order to switch the proper cars - yep the numbers are just as tiny and properly weathered cars don't improve things. OTOH the guys would get a magnifying glass to aid their vision. [;)][:p][;)]