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Hello again all..thanks for all the ideas..still struggling with having to get up a 4 foot rise..even with switchbacks I'm somewhat constrained with the turns...plenty of room lenthwise to make ~3% (gain 10" in 30" or so). but I don't have enuf room, width wise, to make the necessary 5 turns to gain my 4' rise. Can anybody recommend a good book on railroad engineering..I'm not smart enough to visualize what can be done..however, I own my own backhoe (little one) so moving dirt around is not a problem.. thanks in advance for any help here. <br /> <br />john
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