I won a 1666 last night, and I will need to restore it. Does anyone know if the 1666 and 224 share parts? I know it needs the rear truck and collector plate. Here is a link to the auction. Thanks for any info.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120124528262&rd=1&rd=1
Keith,
Thanks for the reply. Can the 224 collector plate with rollers replace the 1666 collector plate that gas shoes?
What about the 2026 parts??? Isn't this a remake of the 1666?
I have a roller assembly for my 1666 (PW) but I'm not shure where it came from.
Kurt
Jim,, a 224 rear truck is the same as a 1666, but you will have to reuse your 1666 drawbar..
there is not enough clearance under the 1666 for a 224 type roller collector.....the 2026 type (((late model- 2-6-4))))as Kurt mentioned, is a canidate that could be made to work....The slide contacts, like you now have, however, should still be available...
A have both the prewar and postwar versions of the 1666 , along with a bunch of other units from that era... those slide shoes work just fine... BDT
BDT,
How does the rear truck attach to a 1666? Do the shoes wear quickly?
Jim,,,, there is a crossbar on the rear of the motor frame that is drilled and tapped for a pivot screw for the rear truck...... the slide shoes on have varied amounts of wear on my locomotives....I just looked at five Lionel locos that were within reach, and they are all acceptable for use...They can be deeply grooved, and still do a good job of picking up current on tubular track...Judging from the appearance of the wheels and gears, I would guess that all five have original slide shoes...Some of these are pushing 70 years old, so I would not be too concerned about rapid wear..
BDT
1688torpedo wrote: Hello All! Kurt- Lionel made changes to the 1666 die around 1947-48 & came out with the 2026 that had a Smoke Generator & they enlarged the Sand Dome on the 2026 as well which was another of the changes to the 1666 die. Jim- The Rear Truck of a 1666 is screwed in to the rear of the Motor underneath the end of the cab with two screws. Take Care.
Keith,, the drawbar and truck assembly on the 224 is held on by the two screws that fasten the mounting plate to the bottom on the shell......On the 1666, however, the mounting plate that is held on by these two screws only holds the drawbar pivot....the truck has it's own pivot which is a screw that uses a hole that is tapped in a crossbar on the rear of the motor frame....The reason that there is a difference is that the 1666 sits lower on the rails.....I just put a 1666 and a 224 back to back on a level surface...the cab overhang of the 1666 will actually fit underneath the overhang of the 224...
the 2026 also got a new motor when it came out in 1948,, the gears are on the right side on the 2026 motor and on the left side on the 1666..
there are allot of parts that may interchange,, but setting the locomotives side by side gives a three dimensional view. Lionel was very crafty when it came to sharing parts in their products. some parts look very simular, till you compare them side by side....
I was looking at the casting detail of three 1666 models just now...alongside a pair of 224 models..
One of the 1666 prewar locos has two door details on top of the sand dome, and the other 1666 locos and the two 224 locos are just smoothe on top...
The more I look, the more I notice......These old locomotives are awesome.....BDT
It will clean up nice. I've seen much worse brought back from the dead!
Jim
Modeling the Baltimore waterfront in HO scale
Jim,,,I just checked three 1666s ;; no pin... My two 224s have pins in that hole....
Thanks for the reply. When I took the 1666 apart, there was only one screw holding the motor into the boiler. This screw went through a motor spacer ( the spacer on the E unit end of the motor) and into the boiler. This spacer turns freely between the sideplates. Is this correct?
This is the spacer that is located on the top-rear of the motor..
I just checked one of mine, and the spacer (crossbar) did not turn freely.. either way, I would see no problem as long as the motor is held securely with the screw tight....
1688torpedo wrote: Hello All! Kurt- Lionel made changes to the 1666 die around 1947-48 & came out with the 2026 that had a Smoke Generator & they enlarged the Sand Dome on the 2026 as well which was another of the changes to the 1666 die.
I was thinking about using the rollers from the 2026...Do you know if the motor housing on the 2026 is the same width as the 1666??? I was thinking (dangerous) that the 2026 rollers can be substituted for the 1666 copper skids.
Mine does not have a lateral pin. The motor assembly is 'L' shaped in the front and hooks into the casting. So the motor tilts up from the rear, and then pulled front to back.
Kurt,
Thanks for the replies. I am a bit confused as to how the motor hooks into the casting, could you please explain how this is done? About changing out the shoes for rollers, be careful with those fibre plates, they break very easily.
Kurt;;;;; On the 1666 pre-war and 1666 post-war, and 2026 early and late versions, the motors are all the same width......Setting all four locomotives side by side, you will note:
The motors are simular,, but definitely not the """"""same"""",,, the 1666 has the geared drivers on the left hand side, and both 2026 versions have the geared drivers on the right.
the late model 2026 has rollers mounted on a plate which is simular in general appearance to the older models, but the tabs on the side of this plate that lock into the motor sides are spaced different than the older shoe type plates.... So no,, they will not interchange....(((but then, files, super-glue--kitbash, nothing is impossible, but it would not be practical)))))
Jim,,,there are two small tabs on the lower front of the motor assembly.....these tabs fit into two small slots that are actually on the steam chest assembly.
Thanks for clearing that up, now I understand. I'll post pics after I am done painting.
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