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UPDATE: MTH PS2 loco problem - are these engines junk or what??

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Posted by fifedog on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 7:58 PM
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Posted by rtraincollector on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:37 PM
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Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 4:34 PM
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Sounds like you are using a Lionel CW-80(Can't Work=CW) as they have all sorts of problems. Most people don't like my suggestion for the CW-80 and that is to cut off the power cord and use it as a paper weight.

SchemerBob, break down and buy the Z1000!!!

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Well, actually I am using an older 80-watt transformer/controller. I do have a CW-80 but never really used my switcher on it for long, because of the blasting horn problem, and that I couldn't activate the couplers and other features that require a button sequence. The older 80-watt transformer does everything fine, though. I think I will buy the Z-1000 anyways, whenever I get back to the hobby shop!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:05 PM
Lee,
OH I agree with you on the compatibility thing!  LOL!  Why would two manufacturers want their stuff to work with the other one's????

I have a few engines from both Lionel and MTH and the MTH stuff really doesn't care for the Post War transformers at all... this is why I'm going to be buying DCS and running TMCC through the TIA...
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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 9:22 AM

Brent,

The Z1000 is compatible with MTH loco's better than the Lionel transformer, and the breaker really has a short timer on it.  I am powering two Williams SD-45's, when not running my T-1 Reading loco(4-8-4) by MTH, pulling about 20 heavy freight cars and a smoking caboose.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 9:07 AM
Lee,
Not stepping on toes at all... yes the CW-80 is a bit under powered by today's standards, but it is intended to be a 'starter-set' transformer with a little extra umph to power 1 or 2 accessories.  This it does well.  I have two CW-80s, one original and one of the revisions.  I've not had problems with either.  But the new one is a bit quieter and the binding posts are labeled correctly... so that helps.

BTW - The Z1000 isn't much more powerful than a CW-80...
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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 8:49 AM

Brent,

Sorry to step on toes about the CW-80 but I have heard or read more complaints about this transformer than any other product on the model railroad market today.  The only CW-80's I have seen were in my local hobby shop awaiting repair or replacement.  Any way 80 watts is very little power for today's trains.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 8:30 AM
 phillyreading wrote:

Sounds like you are using a Lionel CW-80(Can't Work=CW) as they have all sorts of problems. Most people don't like my suggestion for the CW-80 and that is to cut off the power cord and use it as a paper weight.

SchemerBob, break down and buy the Z1000!!!

Lee F.



Oh my... not this again!  The CW-80 (revised) does not exhibit the problems everyone was experiencing with the initial release of the CW-80.
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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, June 6, 2007 8:25 AM

Sounds like you are using a Lionel CW-80(Can't Work=CW) as they have all sorts of problems. Most people don't like my suggestion for the CW-80 and that is to cut off the power cord and use it as a paper weight.

SchemerBob, break down and buy the Z1000!!!

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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, June 5, 2007 9:29 PM
Wait! I have found a solution! It's sort of temporary, because I'll probably get an MTH Z-1000 transformer anyways...but it is a way I can run my engine (and all of its features) perfectly for right now, including the speed control! Get this...when I put a lighted car on the track my switcher is running on (anything, even just a caboose), the locomotive runs perfectly! Then when I take the car off, the engine zooms around like it did before. Is that weird or what? I guess putting a lighted car on the track somehow counteracts everything. Still, it's a strange deal! Shock [:O]
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Posted by SchemerBob on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:56 AM
I think that's what I'll do! Thank you to everyone who responded.
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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:52 AM

Bob,

Try the MTH Z-1000 transformer for your PS-2 loco.  The brand of track should have nothing to do with how the loco porforms other than derailments, if your track is excessively dirty it can blow the whistle or horn at random without pressing the whistle or horn button.

If your problems still continue that is when I would take it back for further repair.

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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:57 AM

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You are correct! Sure is easy to "read into" someone else's post a situation which will relate to your own experiences.  Sorry about the misdirection.

That's okay. Laugh [(-D] I can see now why that would be a problem on steam locomotives. As for my diesel switcher, I still don't know what really could be the cause of the problem. I really think it might be the un-compatible transformers, but not sure quite yet.

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Posted by dbaker48 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:45 AM
You are correct! Sure is easy to "read into" someone else's post a situation which will relate to your own experiences.  Sorry about the misdirection.

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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:41 AM
Wait a minute...isn't that the wire connecting a steam locomotive & tender? If that's the case, then my diesel switcher doesn't have one. Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:39 AM
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I BELIEVE the cause of the problem was due to excessive handling.  Primarily due to connecting and disconnecting the teather.  Keep in mind how small these wires are, I'm not sure but probably about 24 or 26 awg.  It doesn't take much to create a weak connection at either the tender or engine.  I actually talked to the service technician as to the corrective action on my engine.
Now, handling is really minimized and I try not to put them on and off the track frequently. 

Just what exactly is the teather wire, (Whistling [:-^]) and where would it be located on my switcher?

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Posted by lionelsoni on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:11 AM
I lengthened the tether when I first began running my Rail King Big Boy on O27, by pulling all I could out of the tender to reduce the flexing on curves.  It was not enough; and the tether conductors finally broke.  When I spoke to MTH about ordering a replacement, I discovered that the tether was available in a longer version than had been standard on the Big Boy and ordered that instead.  So far, no problem.

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Posted by dbaker48 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:43 AM
Bob, I had EXACTLY the same problem as you.  Mine was on a Rail King Big Boy, but it would just run away.  It is fine now, but I did have to send it to MTH.  
 
I BELIEVE the cause of the problem was due to excessive handling.  Primarily due to connecting and disconnecting the teather.  Keep in mind how small these wires are, I'm not sure but probably about 24 or 26 awg.  It doesn't take much to create a weak connection at either the tender or engine.  I actually talked to the service technician as to the corrective action on my engine.
 
Now, handling is really minimized and I try not to put them on and off the track frequently. 

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Posted by SchemerBob on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:10 AM
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You should also check and see if you need to clean your track. If it has a blacken center rail, you should clean it off.

have you ever derailed your engine or in any other fashion shorted it out. this could also be a source of your problems.

BTW - I have many PS2 and PS1 engines, have not had this type of problems.

I am not pleased to say that I have never cleaned my FasTrack since I first got it in 2005. Shock [:O] I did buy a Lionel Maintenance Kit, so I guess I'll get to work cleaning it, finally. I think I did derail and short out the locomotive once on a tubular track switch, but it wasn't going very fast.

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Posted by spankybird on Monday, May 21, 2007 9:14 PM

You should also check and see if you need to clean your track. If it has a blacken center rail, you should clean it off.

have you ever derailed your engine or in any other fashion shorted it out. this could also be a source of your problems.

BTW - I have many PS2 and PS1 engines, have not had this type of problems.

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Posted by ChiefEagles on Monday, May 21, 2007 9:02 PM

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Posted by jonadel on Monday, May 21, 2007 2:12 PM
Bob--
The next time you are in DM let me know, I'm only 20 minutes west of Hobby Haven.
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Posted by phillyreading on Monday, May 21, 2007 1:20 PM

SchemerBob,

The best thing to do is to go buy the Z-1000 by MTH and have a PS-2 compatible transformer, most of your problems if not all should go away when using an MTH transformer for an MTH product.

I bought an expensive MTH Premeir line lococmotive and a Z-1000 transformer at the same time and have no problem with speed control or changing direction. 

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Posted by chuck on Monday, May 21, 2007 12:44 PM
Horn blasting should be cured by use of a resistive load like a lighted car or accessory.  The older transformer may not have enough power output to handle the speed control and sound effects, aka it may not be putting out a true 80 watts.  PS-2 isn't junk but it does add another layer of complexity in diagnosing problems.  We now have pure software issues to go along with mechanical (broken/bent parts), electrical (bad solder joints/loose wires), hardware (boards not seated in sockets), and firmware (scrambled chips).
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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, May 21, 2007 10:40 AM

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Bob,, At this point, I would be tempted to go back to the Hobby Shop  and see how your engine runs on the MTH transformer....I'd also try a new battery...???  some batteries do fail prematurely...     keep us posted as to how this turns out... BDT

I would love to take it back to the hobby shop and test it out, but unfortunately it is in Des Moines...about two hours from where I live. Whistling [:-^] The closest hobby shop to me, Hobby Chest in Ottumwa, IA, has RailKing items...I think they might have a loop of RealTrax, but not sure.

Just tested the engine on my CW-80 loop of FasTrack and it didn't work on it, either. It must be partly because of the transformer. The only other ones I have is another CW-80 and a Lionel 40-watt.

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Posted by BDT in Minnesota on Monday, May 21, 2007 8:50 AM
Bob,, At this point, I would be tempted to go back to the Hobby Shop  and see how your engine runs on the MTH transformer....I'd also try a new battery...???  some batteries do fail prematurely...     keep us posted as to how this turns out... BDT
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Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, May 21, 2007 8:28 AM
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I would not say they are junk, but hey are a little picky about where you run them.  When the engine was returned, did you have the LHS test it on their layout again?  The engine might have been fixed; but you could still have a problem on your layout.  The CW-80 and PS2 engines really don't like each-other.

I don't know whether it was tested when it returned or not. The transformer I'm trying to use it with now is an older, 80-watt transformer with a controller and 80-watt brick. I have tried using the CW-80 and the speed control seems to be okay, but then the horn starts blasting forever. I wonder if I should get a new transformer?

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Posted by BDT in Minnesota on Monday, May 21, 2007 8:22 AM

 Morning Fifedog::    I don't think  Danny Webster was still around when the electric trains first appeared...Might be due time to add a few pages of "choice train words" to his book...OOfDa, might end up with a Webster-volume two..    This may be a job for Kalmbach!!!

 

 

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Posted by fifedog on Monday, May 21, 2007 7:06 AM
"entergizes"???  Honey, hand me the WEBSTER'S...

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