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Chief,
You certainly have my attention! I remember Celotex as a kid, when I helped my Dad build a couple of houses in Ill., Most people out here have no idea what it is, Home Depot never heard of it. But can get it at Lowes, Homosite is only available at a couple of specialtiy lumber yards. I think I will follow your trail on this one.
Don
Both products can be found at my local Home Depot, less than a mile from my house.
I'm glad to hear the Celotex is going to work for you. At such a large price discrepency, it would be a shame to have to purchase the Homasote.
Jim
Modeling the Baltimore waterfront in HO scale
ChiefEagles wrote:Went by Diamond Hill Plywood in Raleigh. Lady was real nice. Sent me out to warehouse. I took [Jim Apitz suggested] a 1/2 inch drywall screw to see if it would hold screws. Checked Homasote. OK. Checked the Celetex Soundboard. Put screw in about half way [around 1/4 inch]. Lifted one corner of 4X8 sheet 2 feet off of stack. Sold me. Maybe a little more pourous but can be sealed with a coat of paint [Geno's suggestion]. Also, glueing down grass, ballast and etc will also seal. $8+ per sheet versus $20+ per sheet. Do the math. Only problem [which is not one really]. Can not buy direct from Diamond Hill. Even Son-in-law can not and he is a registered building contractor. Got to get it through Lowe's. Lady at Lowe's told me she would sell it at her cost if I picked it up. Not a bad deal. I do have a Home Depot gift card I was going to use. Home Depot can't even find both products. No wonder they are gong broke.
Chief: Interesting research.
A few posts back, I asked a "penny-pincher" question and received some good advice.
Question: Is the 'Homasote' vs 'Celotex' debate about the cost or is it about the information concerning product substitution?
As always, thanks.
traindaddy1 wrote: ChiefEagles wrote:Went by Diamond Hill Plywood in Raleigh. Lady was real nice. Sent me out to warehouse. I took [Jim Apitz suggested] a 1/2 inch drywall screw to see if it would hold screws. Checked Homasote. OK. Checked the Celetex Soundboard. Put screw in about half way [around 1/4 inch]. Lifted one corner of 4X8 sheet 2 feet off of stack. Sold me. Maybe a little more pourous but can be sealed with a coat of paint [Geno's suggestion]. Also, glueing down grass, ballast and etc will also seal. $8+ per sheet versus $20+ per sheet. Do the math. Only problem [which is not one really]. Can not buy direct from Diamond Hill. Even Son-in-law can not and he is a registered building contractor. Got to get it through Lowe's. Lady at Lowe's told me she would sell it at her cost if I picked it up. Not a bad deal. I do have a Home Depot gift card I was going to use. Home Depot can't even find both products. No wonder they are gong broke. Chief: Interesting research. A few posts back, I asked a "penny-pincher" question and received some good advice. Question: Is the 'Homasote' vs 'Celotex' debate about the cost or is it about the information concerning product substitution? As always, thanks.
Both. You can find a product that will do the same job at a cheaper price. [Comes from my years in fleet management for the State. You have a job to be done, draw up a spec for a vehicle that will handle it and bid it out. If Ford, Chevy and Chrysler have vehicles that meet the spec, why by Chevy becasue I love them if Ford or Chrysler is cheaper and does the job?]
dbaker wrote: Chief,You certainly have my attention! I remember Celotex as a kid, when I helped my Dad build a couple of houses in Ill., Most people out here have no idea what it is, Home Depot never heard of it. But can get it at Lowes, Homosite is only available at a couple of specialtiy lumber yards. I think I will follow your trail on this one.
Don, just so you understand, this is not ceiling tiles. This is Soundboard.
Speaking of ceiling tiles, I saw Lisa had done a great job making hills and grades from broken ceiling tiles she had gotten at a great price. I think Frank53 did the same with his layout.
Right the Celotex I am familiar with was black, and had Celotex printed all over the side. Came in a 4x8 sheet. Was used on the outside of the house framing. Usually made a mell of a hess on a saw blade. I thought it had a oil or tar base material in the coating. Used roofing nails to secure it.
Chief, thanks for the report! Our Lowes has 4x8 Celotex sheets available for under $10. Only one place in town had Homasote and it was $30 for a 4x8 sheet!
I've used ceiling tiles, like Frank53, with good success in the past, but I will probably give the Celotex a try next time.
dbaker48 wrote: Chief,Right the Celotex I am familiar with was black, and had Celotex printed all over the side. Came in a 4x8 sheet. Was used on the outside of the house framing. Usually made a mell of a hess on a saw blade. I thought it had a oil or tar base material in the coating. Used roofing nails to secure it.
Don, we called that "JIPLAP". No this is not that. No tar. Now been replaced by OSB board here.
Chief, Your right! I went to their website and sure enough the Soundstop is definetely different than what I was accomosted to. They even do a comparison with Homosite. Thanks for the clarification.
http://www.aknightcompany.com/pages/soundstop/pdfs/ss_comparison.pdf
Couldn't find Homasote board, went to local Home Depot, when I was putting together my layout so I just went with half inch plywood covered with Life Like grass mat, I know that I have a sound problem but who is going to complain other than my wife as my neighbors are about an acre & a half away from my house? Didn't know about Celetex Soundboard either. See what you can learn by beeing a builder! Other comment about Home Depot is they stopped carrying certain light bulbs, had to go to Ace Hardware.
What I do when moving stuff around is to use a small flat-tip screwdriver to remove stuff then a little Squadron Green putty over the hole and some loose mat material to fill in over top of the putty.
Lee F.
DJSpanky wrote: ChiefEagles wrote:Not a bad deal. I do have a Home Depot gift card I was going to use. Home Depot can't even find both products. No wonder they are gong broke. Well, that's because Home Depot is focusing on selling more important things like blenders and toasters and laundry detergent and refrigerator packs of soda. After all, who needs hardware and building supplies?
ChiefEagles wrote:Not a bad deal. I do have a Home Depot gift card I was going to use. Home Depot can't even find both products. No wonder they are gong broke.
Well, that's because Home Depot is focusing on selling more important things like blenders and toasters and laundry detergent and refrigerator packs of soda. After all, who needs hardware and building supplies?
Don,
I believe your thinking of "Asphalt impregnated board". Used regularly in the 70's and early 80's. As Chief stated, 4x8 wafer board became so economical, framers just covered the whole house with wafer, and cut out the doors and windows.
Spank,
As a manager of a independant lumber yard and DO-IT-BEST hardware store, the Home Depot down the street is our friend. They frustrate the customer, we help them.
Your right on the money. The sound board does the job for a third the cost. Thanks for clarifying the issue. All I've used is sound board, does all I need.
All,
Stop by your local independent lumber yard. They should be able to help you. Sorry for the plug, but I was raised to be independent.
Rod L.
In reply to what c50truck mentioned about wafer board being so economical that even roofers used it a few miles north of Homestead FL, Naranja Lakes condo's, before hurricane Andrew hit. I talked to a roofer about Homestead and he said that he would never re-roof in Naranja Lakes as it would be too expensive to remove the wafer board and do it legally.
This is just to let you know what extent people have used wafer board for.
Lee,
I don't know a thing about building legally in huricane country. Here in the Inland Northwest of Washington, our worst fears are loosing a single or two, or having a pine tree topple. I never blame a product or toy train for it's misuse. Thus we are here comparing notes on sound board ver. Homasote.
Side note. Yes, it always cost more to do the job right the second time, than the first.
Geno, screw retention is important in the Chief's application because he wants to secure the track to just the Celotex. If he were to use a longer screw that drove into the wood table top, it would transfer much more noise, defeating the purpose of the sound deadening layer.
And not for nothing, but if I were having a home built, I'd make sure ext. grade plywood was used. Especially on the roof. Just my preferrence, and I'd be happy to pay the extra price.
jaabat,I caught Chief's screw requirement at the beginning of the thread. And I'm aware about the whole noise transfer deal with screws run down through to the framing (why my roadbed and track are glued and pinned down).I've sheathed roofs with both OSB and plywood- in some cases (like with concrete and clay tile roofs) plywood is the only choice. Other times, OSB is used to save money or cut corners- hey, I just swing the hammer. Most high-end and custom residential jobs do go with plwood for exterior sheathing. But alot of spec homes get the OSB- even on the roof. I prefer plwood too, but for interior shear walls OSB works just fine.Geno
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