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Smoke in Colors?

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Posted by chuck on Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:08 PM

The colored flames are produced by using metalic salts, e.g. copper salts produce green.  The smoke does not change color.

 

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Posted by alexweiihman on Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:36 PM
 eZAK wrote:

Her is a thought;

What if one were to wire a colored grain of wheat bulb that is placed inside the smoke stack.

A larger but simular device is used in theatrics to produce the appearence of colored smoke.

 

That might work, it would make a good project.

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Posted by eZAK on Saturday, March 17, 2007 3:33 PM

Her is a thought;

What if one were to wire a colored grain of wheat bulb that is placed inside the smoke stack.

A larger but simular device is used in theatrics to produce the appearence of colored smoke.

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Posted by trestrainfan on Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:37 AM
I remember way back when I was a kid (40 some years ago), that my Dad had a commercially available product that was some sort of crystals you could put on a fire in a fireplace that would cause the fire to change colors. I don't remember if it changed the color of the smoke. It was cool looking but probably used some elements that were found to not be healthy for use around people. I think the product has not been available for a long time.
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Posted by csxt30 on Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:34 AM

One thing about smoke is that you can't get different colors !!  I talked to the makers of "Super Smoke", the people that make a smoke oil for full scale aerobatic planes & model planes & they said only on some turbine engines is it possible to get a color in the smoke system so far !! Any colored smoke you see at Airshows is from flares !

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:48 AM

In prototype practice, white smoke was indicative of a clean burn, as Chuck noted. Why would you want smoke of a different color (black), which would only demonstrate that your engine crew is doing a sloppy job?

And my guess is that any color additive's that might be used in model train smoke--to make it black, for example--would probably result in eventually coating your walls, furniture, and layout with a nasty, hard-to-get-rid-of film.  

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Posted by 1688torpedo on Friday, March 16, 2007 8:57 PM
 Too bad you're not at my house tonight!  My Nephew & Mom know how to make Blue Smoke using Dough & Cinnamon.Wink [;)]Tongue [:P]Clown [:o)] & the house still smells & looks like smoke. What a revolting situation! Cough,Cough,Cough.
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Posted by trainbrain on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:55 PM
 pbjwilson wrote:
 jaabat wrote:

Andrew,

A squirt of teheratat into the locos stack will produce colored smoke. I get mine from a fellow named Moe Howard.

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Posted by pbjwilson on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:19 PM
 jaabat wrote:

Andrew,

A squirt of teheratat into the locos stack will produce colored smoke. I get mine from a fellow named Moe Howard.

Jim 



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Posted by Andrew Falconer on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:13 PM

That is is a great examination of the process, Chuck.

I did not realize that the real "smoke" is more of an atmopheric and optical effect than I first thought.

I knew that light conditions did change the appearance of O Gauge Smoke.

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Posted by chuck on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:06 AM
The vaporized oil used in our trains has no color, it isn't even "white".  The particles of oil are so small, they diffuse/refract the ambient light evenly and the appearance is white.  Real steam locomotive exhaust is a mixture of waste steam and combustion byproducts.   If the fireman is doing his job properly and the fuel is reasonably clean (aka fuel oil, hard wood or hard coal) there will be little particulate matter and the exhaust will be "white".  I've seen color photo's of NYC J's running at spead in cold winter conditions where there wasn't even white smoke, just a heat plume.  The air was so dry the water didn't get a chance to condense into droplets large enough to refract ambient light.  If the combustion process is incomplete, you will get grey or even black smoke from all of the particulate matter/combustion by products. 
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Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:03 AM

 dbaker48 wrote:
OK, Jim...   I'll bite,  is that for real?  What color doe it produce, gray, black?

Is it for real?! You tell me, Don.

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Posted by dbaker48 on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:06 AM
OK, Jim...   I'll bite,  is that for real?  What color doe it produce, gray, black?

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Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:00 AM

Andrew,

A squirt of teheratat into the locos stack will produce colored smoke. I get mine from a fellow named Moe Howard.

Jim 

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Smoke in Colors?
Posted by Andrew Falconer on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:38 AM

Smoke fluid produces a mostly white vapor when heated in the smoke unit.

I have seen and used scented smoke.

Does anyone know of smoke fluid that produces colors?

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