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Christmas present help
Posted by Nick12DMC on Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:58 AM
 
Hi guys,
            Time to start planning my sons Christmas present. I need a little help as living
in the UK I don't get to see many O gauge items in the flesh so to speak.
 
My son got a Lionel Santa Fe Fast Freight set last year. He is 8.
 
 
Which do you guys reckon would be the best loco/suitable present out of my shortlist?.
 
1)Williams GS4 Daylight with matching cars.
2)Williams Santa Fe F3 "AA"red/silver with matching cars.
3)Williams Scale Hudson with a macthing set of cars.
4)Another Lionel Set
 
On another note the one item he has asked Santa for is a Lionel Hellgate Bridge.
Does anyone have a source with a red/silver or green/cream reissue in stock at a
reasonable cost.Smile [:)]
 
Many thanks
 
Nick
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Posted by jimhaleyscomet on Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:27 AM
Which present is a tough question.  Since he already has one diesel I would go with the Hudson.  Still, the F3 Santa Fe is hard to beat.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:54 AM

Nick,

          I think that the Williams F3's with the matching cars is the best on the list. 

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Posted by pbjwilson on Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:03 PM

5) any of the above.

Tough to pick from that group. But me, I like the GS4 Daylight.

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Posted by RR Redneck on Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:20 PM
As hard as it is to beat out the SF F set, I would go for another Lionel set. You just can't go wrong with a Lionel. (Unless it is that darn G scale Christmas set).

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Posted by brianel027 on Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:43 PM

When I first re-entered the hobby 16 years ago, my first purchases were all train sets. The advantage (as I saw it) was I got the extra track I would need, the extra transformers for diversity in powering everything on a layout, the extra locos and cars.

The quality on the Lionel sets today is about as good as it has been in a long time. One thing I notice now is that Lionel has tightened up the tolerance on the snap metal rivets used to hold the plastic trucks on their starter rolling stock... the terrible wobble that was once so common has been eliminated. This has been long overdue, since it is truck wobble that causes derailments especially when backing up a train.

I guess it's just a matter of preference. The Williams locos are all great and when comparing a Williams GP-9 to a Lionel version, the Williams version is the winner hands down in quality and price. I know you didn't mention the GEEP, but it's one example I am familar with. But for an 8 year old boy, I can also imagine how excited he'd be to have more track, more cars and another engine.

If you are not sure about how something actually looks, try looking on eBay. Yes, some sellers use the provided stock photos from the manufacturers, but many do take their own photos and it's a great way to actually see what an item looks like that you are planning to purchase.

To give credit where credit is due, the Williams items always look better in reality than the website illustrations show. And as far as lower end Lionel starter products, I have noticed recently the same trend where they actually look on par if not better than the catalog illustrations. A nice trend that I hope continues.

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Posted by Jumijo on Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:54 PM
I'd highly recommend the Williams Santa Fe F3s with matching cars. A gorgeous set! The Williams scale Hudson is also a winner, but it might need a wider radius track than the 36" stuff that comes with Lionel sets. The Williams ads say it will run on 031, but I heard someone complain about theirs binding on the FasTrack. That's the only reason I have yet to order one.

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Posted by Dr. John on Monday, October 23, 2006 10:42 AM
You really can't go wrong with any of those. I guess I'd have to go with the Williams Santa Fe F3s and cars or another Lionel set (for the reasons already mentioned).
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Posted by BlackJack on Monday, October 23, 2006 12:04 PM

I have personally thought about buying a Williams J class (similiar to the GS4). Pros-I like the traditional size and look. Reputation to run forever due to being a williams. Reasonable price-Originally sold for around 275 to 300 dollars when introduced, now onsale online for 235 dollars-I've never seen it cheaper. Plus far far cheaper than a scale J class. Cons-no sound beside whistle and bell, and no TMCC. Probably doesn't smoke much. An option might be a nonscale MTH version of the J, not sure if they have a GS4.

Personally, I'd think that a kid might like sounds like Railsounds- Lionel or Protosounds- MTH.

The F3s are absolute classics, but again I'm sort of on the fence due to the above. MTH makes a scale railking version that look like the 1950s, but have Protosounds PS2. Lionel unfortuantely seems to release them only as part of PWC freight or passenger sets that cost 500-800 dollars, depending on road name

The scale Hudson is probably overkill due to it's size, but then again it's probably a good value and I doubt any manufacturer will make it cheaper.

I'd probably pick the Williams GS4-colorful, the action of a steam engine. I'd pick some freight cars that did activity-aquarium car, coal dumping cars, EMD generator car, cop and bandit, etc.. for "play value."

An MTH Railking scale diesel has alot of value for the money-Protosounds-and some have a nice discount online.

I wouldn't buy another Lionel set, unless it was a 500-600 dollar Post War Celebration diesel F3 freight set.

check out trainworld.com for items like the bridge. Also look at justrains.com's website-especially the blowouts pages-some very nice deals from Weaver, Atlas and MTH, as well as Williams.

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Posted by Jumijo on Monday, October 23, 2006 12:31 PM
 ep5jet wrote:

I have personally thought about buying a Williams J class (similiar to the GS4). Pros-I like the traditional size and look. Reputation to run forever due to being a williams. Reasonable price-Originally sold for around 275 to 300 dollars when introduced, now onsale online for 235 dollars-I've never seen it cheaper. Plus far far cheaper than a scale J class. Cons-no sound beside whistle and bell, and no TMCC. Probably doesn't smoke much. An option might be a nonscale MTH version of the J, not sure if they have a GS4.

Personally, I'd think that a kid might like sounds like Railsounds- Lionel or Protosounds- MTH.

The F3s are absolute classics, but again I'm sort of on the fence due to the above. MTH makes a scale railking version that look like the 1950s, but have Protosounds PS2. Lionel unfortuantely seems to release them only as part of PWC freight or passenger sets that cost 500-800 dollars, depending on road name

The scale Hudson is probably overkill due to it's size, but then again it's probably a good value and I doubt any manufacturer will make it cheaper.

I'd probably pick the Williams GS4-colorful, the action of a steam engine. I'd pick some freight cars that did activity-aquarium car, coal dumping cars, EMD generator car, cop and bandit, etc.. for "play value."

An MTH Railking scale diesel has alot of value for the money-Protosounds-and some have a nice discount online.

I wouldn't buy another Lionel set, unless it was a 500-600 dollar Post War Celebration diesel F3 freight set.

check out trainworld.com for items like the bridge. Also look at justrains.com's website-especially the blowouts pages-some very nice deals from Weaver, Atlas and MTH, as well as Williams.



The Williams J class steamers smoke very well. The 726 Berk and 2056 baby Hudsons don't smoke very well.

It's too bad both Lionel and MTH can't follow Williams example and market similar priced/equipped locos.

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Posted by jefelectric on Monday, October 23, 2006 10:08 PM

Nick,

Nassau Hobby Center is showing a Cream & Green Hellgate bridge in stock.

http://www.hobby-search.com/

I'm sure there are others. 

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Posted by RR Redneck on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:07 PM
That was a real good site.

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