Santa Fe SD80 on fire on startup need help!!!!!

[cr6479]

She is back on the main line!!!!!! Santa Fe 8300 is now pulling conrail ML403.

[RR Redneck]

The TMCC is a darn good system, but it is that CW-80 that is the black sheep of the family for Lionel. That and the new Christmas set. I swear there are foreign trains that look better than that thing. Coming from me that is NOT a good thing.

[cr6479]

They put new wiring, software just in case and some new paint where the smoking unit was. Their are 5 repair guys who fixed my engine. If one or two cars need to be fixed it will take one repair men and 5 days.

[EIS2]

My lionel Santa Fe engine when starting up will catch on fire where the smoking unit would be.

OOPS!!!!! It should a been MTH. I read the box wrong.

She is FIXED. SF SD80 or 90 is running and retired from serivce.

Well.. I wasn't going to retiring it that was a tyepo.

This is the funniest thread I have read in a long time.

Earl

[csxt30]

Well.. I wasn't going to retiring it that was a tyepo. I am putting it in my large engine holding area unitl i feel like putting it back on the main line.

Glad you got that repaired so fast & just wonder if you can give us any details on what had to be fixed. Did they just have to repair something or did they have to replace any parts ? 

Oh, if you ever get a digital camera, please show us some pictures of this engine. We'll be glad to help you if you're not familiar with posting pictures !! 

Thanks,  John 

[Jumijo]

Ohhhhh . . .  well allrighty then

[cr6479]

Well.. I wasn't going to retiring it that was a tyepo. I am putting it in my large engine holding area unitl i feel like putting it back on the main line.

[Jumijo]

She is FIXED. SF SD80 or 90 is running and retired from serivce. Now this thread is a officially DEAD!!!!!!!!!

If the train is fixed and running now, why are you retiring it?

[Buckeye Riveter]

My lionel SD80 is in the shop being repaired and i hope this doesn't happen again.

Wow! Less than four days repair time.  I want the name of that repairman?  I bet he was cheap, too.  We don't have anybody around here that can do that type of repair that fast. 

[cr6479]

She is FIXED. SF SD80 or 90 is running and retired from serivce. Now this thread is a officially DEAD!!!!!!!!!

[ChiefEagles]

Sorry if I got off on the wrong foot here so to speak but when something by Lionel in the newer versions has a problem it makes me sound off about other problems that seem to be LIONEL only!!

As for csmnlm, one thing for you to take note of; How many problems have been posted on this forum about MTH's problems?  My answer is very few that I have read if any.   The only thing that I can say is that I have heard that TMCC is better than DCS.

Lee F.

Lee, there are plenty of MTH problems.  Atlas has problems too.  I just don't own may any more and probably will not.  Might be less MTH on this forum.  Who knows.  I think this thread should be dead anyway.  Maybe it will go to page two.  Marty, same response as you from several of us [emails on this subject]. 

[MartyE]

Pftttttttt!  As I spit my coffe on the screen.  How the heck do you read the box wrong and get Lionel from MTH?  I think the purple box might have been the give away!  I'm just messing with ya but I still pfffffted all over my screen when I read that.

[RR Redneck]

Trust me pal, TMCC IS so much better than DCS.

[phillyreading]

Sorry if I got off on the wrong foot here so to speak but when something by Lionel in the newer versions has a problem it makes me sound off about other problems that seem to be LIONEL only!!

As for csmnlm, one thing for you to take note of; How many problems have been posted on this forum about MTH's problems?  My answer is very few that I have read if any.   The only thing that I can say is that I have heard that TMCC is better than DCS.

Lee F.

[ChiefEagles]

Great!  Now here comes 2 pages of MTH bashing

Why not???   Will make this thread even longer.   Started off wrong. 

[Anonymous]

Great!  Now here comes 2 pages of MTH bashing

[dougdagrump]

Whoa nellie !!!!!

Now you are really going to see some flames.

[Anonymous]

Oh. no! Say it isn't so. Sob!

[cr6479]

OOPS!!!!! It should a been MTH. I read the box wrong.

[jonadel]

Here's what I would do:

1. Grab the video camera.
2. Turn the lights down very low.
3. Start that sucker up and run her fast.
4. You could make enough money on that video to buy whatever you want.

Yes, I know....... I need to get a life, but I refuse to grow up!

Jon-----

not taking life too seriously any more :)

[Buckeye Riveter]

cr6479,

               From what I understand, the cause of the flame is that the smoke unit was powered up dry.  When you run a fan driven unit dry, the element(s) can overheat, then crack, and short out and start a fire.  I had this happen to a locomotive when I left it in neutral and walked across the room to fix a derailment.  I forgot about the loco being powered up until I heard a popping sound.  I looked up, and my eyes almost popped out of my head!  I saw a flame very similar to what you saw.  Get the locomotive fixed, and never forget to put fluid in the smoke unit.  I can safely say that I won't soon forget.

or turn off the smoke with the off/on switch under engine at front truck.  Still can not locate a Lionel SF SD80.   Give us the product ###.

I'm with Chief and still could not locate a Lionel SF SD80 or SD90, but I did find reference to a SF SD 90

http://www.trains.com/ctt/default.aspx?c=lc&id=94

According to CTT is was made by MTH.

[cr6479]

SD80 or what Lionel calls it an SD90. The model is SD80 or SD90 Lionel Santa Fe 8300 if this helps. 

[ChiefEagles]

cr6479,

               From what I understand, the cause of the flame is that the smoke unit was powered up dry.  When you run a fan driven unit dry, the element(s) can overheat, then crack, and short out and start a fire.  I had this happen to a locomotive when I left it in neutral and walked across the room to fix a derailment.  I forgot about the loco being powered up until I heard a popping sound.  I looked up, and my eyes almost popped out of my head!  I saw a flame very similar to what you saw.  Get the locomotive fixed, and never forget to put fluid in the smoke unit.  I can safely say that I won't soon forget.

or turn off the smoke with the off/on switch under engine at front truck.  Still can not locate a Lionel SF SD80.   Give us the product ###.

[Anonymous]

cr6479,

               From what I understand, the cause of the flame is that the smoke unit was powered up dry.  When you run a fan driven unit dry, the element(s) can overheat, then crack, and short out and start a fire.  I had this happen to a locomotive when I left it in neutral and walked across the room to fix a derailment.  I forgot about the loco being powered up until I heard a popping sound.  I looked up, and my eyes almost popped out of my head!  I saw a flame very similar to what you saw.  Get the locomotive fixed, and never forget to put fluid in the smoke unit.  I can safely say that I won't soon forget.

[ChiefEagles]

Best I know, no such animal as SF SD80.  I have two of the full size NS SD80's, TMCC, Railsounds and SMOKE.  The Lionmaster ones have the same.  I've worked on one at Miss Edna's.  Knew this was a joke from the beginning.  Why I answered with a short answer.

[csxt30]

Kooljock1, cr6479, cxt30, et al,

I apologize to whatever extent I hijacked the thread. If you go back to the beginning of the thread, and page down to the sixth post, you will see that Lee F. (phillyreading) introduced the CW-80 into a discussion of something entirely different. That pushed my button, as it always does.

It's just that with all the gratuitous jabs at  the CW-80, the constant ringing of the bells inside my head, an entire afternoon of football teams huddling-up and talking about me -- well, it just got to be too much.

I'm only glad that it is perfectly clear that a CW-80 did NOT catch fire. Do carry on. 

 

Wolverine : that's exactly why I posted what I did ! That's where the topic changed & why I wrote what I did. When they say they aren't bashing some company, what are they doing then ? !! You don't have to apologize !! I was really the next one that did it !! Hope Kooljock isn't mad too !!

Thanks, John   

[Buckeye Riveter]

 Do you avoid Amtrak because the "Best Friend of Charleston" blew up back in 1831?

I have been trying to find a good reason why Columbus is the largest city in the U.S. without passenger rail service.  I believe this must be the reeason.

Wolverine, I am still glad you posted the reason to avoid Amtrak.  It will give me something to say at the next All Aboard Ohio meeting in Novemeber.

[Anonymous]

Kooljock1, cr6479, cxt30, et al,

I apologize to whatever extent I hijacked the thread. If you go back to the beginning of the thread, and page down to the sixth post, you will see that Lee F. (phillyreading) introduced the CW-80 into a discussion of something entirely different. That pushed my button, as it always does.

It's just that with all the gratuitous jabs at  the CW-80, the constant ringing of the bells inside my head, an entire afternoon of football teams huddling-up and talking about me -- well, it just got to be too much.

I'm only glad that it is perfectly clear that a CW-80 did NOT catch fire. Do carry on. 

 

[Buckeye Riveter]

Is this the model we are talking about except in Santa Fe paint?  If it is, it has always been advertised with fan driven smoke units.  My CSX SD 80 can smoke you out of the room, but it has never caught fire.

After I posted the above, photo and verbage, I went and looked on Lionel's web site for SD-80 locomotives in Santa Fe Paint schemes.  Lionel definitely sold SD-80s, but their on line catalogs do not show a Santa Fe Paint scheme.