Uncatalogged set- Any Ideas?

[LS1Heli]

Guys,

Having trouble identifing a possible Sear's uncataloged Lionel outfit from the early 1960's. The contents are:

#242 Lionel steam engine with 242T tender

#6045 green Cities Service 2d Tank Car

#6076  LV hopper car

#Unlettered/Unnumbered caboose

Came with a 50watt transformer and some 027.

Any ideas?

[Dr.Fu-Manchu]

LS1Heli, The Doctor is in!!! I checked my Greenberg's Guide to uncataloged sets. I found no listing with the loco# you listed. Spiegel listed a set with a #242 loco, but it did not have the cars you listed. Further info might be helpful.

Till My Next Missive, I Remain The Humble Yet Strangly Evil Doctor!!!

[phillyreading]

Have you tried finding an old Sears catalog?  Also the #6045 Cities Service car according to Greenberg's is an uncataloged item, sort of rare but not that valuable to collecters, the locomotive and tender is from 1962 to 1966 and from what I know is not a highly collectible item & according toGreenberg's Guide the tender should be a #1060T or 1062T.  The 242 locomotive was a common engine for Lionel to put in a starter set.   Other question for you; do you have the box that the whole set came in?

Lee.

[LS1Heli]

Hey Guys!

Anyway I was wrong about the tender. It is the streamlined 1062T tender. I am about 99.99% sure it is a Sear's uncataloged set. I understand that the engine is the most common 2-4-2 engine Lionel ever made but this has got to be a set.

There was a lot of postwar 027 track with it, a MPC manual LH switch and a boxed Marx highway flasher with (you guessed it) a price tag from Sears Roebuck & Co.

The strangest thing is that the transformer is NOT Lionel.. It is a Sears Roebuck & Co "Allstate" toy train transformer rated at 50watts. Looks brand new.

The set is beautiful. I cleaned and serviced all of it and we are talking about TCA solid C7 condition. I know it's not worth anything but still pretty cool.

The caboose I found out is a 6067 in red and I have no original boxes.

Any other sugesstions? I will see if I can post some pictures.

[phillyreading]

Could be a Sears set but not with a Marx highway flasher or MPC switch from what I know about Lionel & MPC timeframe. The caboose is valued about $5.00, the year 1962, the transformer could be a Lionel, have you looked closely at the bottom side & all sides of the transformer? Lionel put together many sets for independant dealers or stores to sell, many sets may not be listed, the best way to know about the set you have is if you have the original box that it was packed from Sears or Lionel. If you bought the set from somebody second hand it is very hard sometimes to know what came with the set as even Lionel put stuff in sets(even cataloged sets had fillers) in order to sell more sets in the 1960's. Hope this helps you.

Lee F.

[Anonymous]

The Allstate transformer is made by Marx and so is definitely not original to the set.  Allstate was a brand name that Marx trains catalogued by Sears were sold under in the 1960's and 70's.  Marx sets for Sears at this time were packaged in boxes labeled "Allstate Electric Train Set" and had transformers like yours.  Marx also made some actual locomotives and rolling stock that carried Allstate as a roadname.