Another GG1 question

[Blueberryhill RR]

I had such luck with my last GG1 question, that I decided to ask
everyone a new question.
The GG1 went into service in 1935. I have seen pictures of it pulling
streamliner passenger cars on the "Senator " and would like to know
if the GG1 ever pulled Madison cars on any of it's trips???
AND does anyone have pictures , if it did ??
Thanks,
Chuck

[dwiemer]

Chuck,
I was watching a program this morning that had a GG1 and I believe it was pulling some madisons. It was the train heading into Washington DCs Union Station for Ike's inauguration. The GG1 crashed through the station, fell through the floor, and they just built a new floor over it. It was a wreck, but again, I think it was madisons behind it.
dennis

[lionelsoni]

A temporary floor was built; but the locomotive was later removed and repaired.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/prr4876-crash.shtml

[Frank53]

[Anonymous]

Chuck (Blueberryhill RR)

Yes.

See whether you find this photo persuasive. There are more, but you will have to Google-and-drill-down to find some of them. This one is from the Army/Navy football game in Philadelphia as recently as 1958,

http://www.prrths.com/Phila_ArmyNavy_PP9.htm

wolverine49

[cnw1995]

4876 ran many years for NJT.
Chuck, in the Brian Solomon book Electric Locomotives, he shows several photos of the GG1s pulling all sorts of older rolling stock - not just the intercity streamliners.

[Anonymous]

Early GG-1's were mostly pulling heavyweights. They did pull everything from varni***o corrugated stainless, Pullman to commuter cars. Don't forget that the Pennsy had arrangements with Southern for the Crescent and the SAL/AC Sliver Meteor. There were other trains I can't remember that originated in NYC Penn Station that Pennsy pulled down to Washington DC behind GG-1's.

[dwiemer]

Fantastic story. Amazing that after all the damage and the speed of this heavy train, yet no one was killed.
dennis

[otftch]

Have you seen a photo of the GG-1before designer Raymond Lowey got involved with it ?Just another boxy electric.
Ed

[Anonymous]

Lowey's contribution to the GG-1 was to switch from a riveted body to a welded one and the beautiful five stripe cat's whisker paint scheme. The cab design was based on the modified P5a's that were introduced a year earlier following a fatal grade crossing crash. The cabs were moved back to the center in a modified steeple cab design.

[Anonymous]

If you look carefully at one of the pictures, the cars the GG1 was pulling were not Lionel Madisons but A.C. Gilbert's beloved New Haven light weights. Score one for Flyer!

[Blueberryhill RR]

ok

[Anonymous]

Chuck, (Blueberry Hill)

On page 84 of Trackside Maryland by James P. Gallagher, Johns Hopkins University Press, there is a photo of a GG1 dragging a mixed consist over the Gunpowder River, Maryland, in September 1954. The caption reads in part: "The coaches span the World War I era to the lightweight streamline era." It refers to the GG1 as "...Pennsy's 1930s workhorse."

If you have been seeking some "authority" to pull heavyweights behind your GG1, I think this provides it. Sorry I am unable to attach the photo.

wolverine49

[Blueberryhill RR]

Thanks for the information, everyone.

Chuck