Lionel Parts Needed

[Fred Bear]

600-8801-013 is the part number I'm trying to find, it's for the Blue Comet made in the 60's or 70's. I've tried Lionel and Train Parts, no luck either place. Anyone have any ideas on this one? or what part would cross reference? Thanks, Jake

[wrmcclellan]

What is the part?

[Boxcar Bill]

The Train Tender has the part listed. Jeff is a real good person to deal with.

His e-mail ttender.com

[eZAK]

Is This It;
8801-13 Blue Comet boiler front

[eZAK]

Also check this out;
http://www.trains.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/000/718otaul.asp

[eZAK]

Say Jake (a.k.a fred bear),

Are you a Bow hunter?

[Fred Bear]

Yes, finatical bowhunter, using a first year wood handle A take down made in Grayling at the Bear plant. Charlie Kroll, Fred Bear's son in law was a close personal friend of mine. He fished a bamboo fly rod that I made, and has given me many of Fred Bear's personal items over the years. Charlie passed away last year, I miss him a lot, he was a great guy, and probably the biggest practical joker that has ever lived, other than Fred Bear himself! Jake

[Fred Bear]

ttender.com is not a valid email address. I did find Jeff's web site, but not an email address listed there either. Does anyone know Jeff's email? Thanks much, Jake

[Anonymous]

Maybe this specific URL link will help. It gives an email address, but also states that the the owner prefers phone calls.

While trying to research this I found references to a part number 8801-14 as well as the 8801-13. I don't know what the difference is, or whether it's significant.

http://www.ttender.com/businessinfo.htm

wolverine49

[Chris F]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wolverine49

While trying to research this I found references to a part number 8801-14 as well as the 8801-13. I don't know what the difference is, or whether it's significant.
wolverine49

The 8801 was unique in that it used an ALCo-style boiler (e.g., 2046) with a Baldwin-style boiler front (e.g., 2065). The main difference was that the Baldwin-style boiler front included a feedwater heater.

Lionel's part list shows the part number for the boiler front for an 8801 is 8801-14, not 8801-13. The list also identifies the ALCo boiler front as 8600-13, not 8801-13. I couldn't find any part in Lionel's list numbered 8801-13.

Jeff's list shows the replacement boiler front for the 8801 Blue Comet as 8801-13. I suspect an error in Lionel's parts list. Even tho' Jake's part number represents the correct translation from the 6-digit numbering system to the 10-digit system, there's a good chance the part never existed under that 10-digit number.

The Baldwin-style boiler front, in black, is 2065-13. It's available from Olsen's Toy Trains at a price of $9.50. It would fit on an 8801, but would have to painted blue.

[Fred Bear]

What I need for the Blue Comet is the brushes for the motor. Am I asking for the wrong part? Thanks to all, Jake

[Anonymous]

Jake,

Somehow we've been chasing a boiler front, when what you want is a motor brush, right?

I think Chris F provided the answer on March 29. He suggested an 8040-150; also known (I might add) as 622-121. This should be a very easy part to find.

Sometimes, you have to locate the loco first, then the motor, and finally the motor-part number. I think the motor number is 8600-100 or 8702-100. Either number should do.

Two things: 1. if you replace the brushes, you might want to replace the brush springs. 2. Take great care not to damage the brushplate.

Hope this is the answer.

wolverine49

[Fred Bear]

Thanks for the help, it's most appreciated, Jake

[underworld]

Try George Tebolt....the web address is www.georgetebolt.com
If he doesn't have it he can probably get it or tell you where to find it.

underworld

aka The Violet

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[Fred Bear]

Thanks again, much appreciated. How does one post pictures on here? I can post a picture of the brush plate, etc. Something strange here though, as it appears there are no springs behind these brushes. Is that possible? Jake

[Anonymous]

Jake,

There should be springs. The brushes that have been suggested are little cylindrical pieces of graphite with a slot across one end. The tip of a wire spring (not a coil spring) rides in this slot. The springs, which look a little like a wishbone, are soldered to a brass portion of the brushplate. and extend over the brass cylinder that the brush rides in. Sometimes, depending on the brush, there is a little bend or "tit" near one end of the spring, This is the part of the spring that rides in the slot and exerts a downward force on each brush.

Assuming that your computer can read PDF format, you might visit

http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/

and locate the link to their "Library" near the bottom-right of the page.

Then "drill down" to the section about postwar Lionel locomotives. Find the section on the 2046, which is a small Hudson-type that is probably quite similar to yours

On the upper left of the first page you should see a reasonably large-scale pic of the brushplate, screws, brushes and springs.

I think it will look enough like your locomotive to help you out. If it does you might want to leave a comment for the nice folks who maintain this helpful web side, and purchase parts from them should you need any.

wolverine49

[Anonymous]

Some of my reference materials (written, not online) suggest that the motor in your 8801 locomotive has one of the designations: 8702-100, 8900-100, and/or 8600-100 which were either identical or at least similar enough to get by with but one illustration..

Brushplate 8702-132

Brush 8040-150 (as ChrisF reported previously)

Brush Spring 2036-157

This spring is pictured as a "wishbone-shaped" spring with legs of equal length and no "tit" on either leg. I cannot tell whether they were soldered in or not, but they should have been, in my humble opinion.

Sometimes there are differences between what gets pictured and what actually gets produced. This problem is magnified if the parts are only available from after-market sources.

Lionel's long history of parts-designation defies comprehension, and the cross-referencing process is mind-boggling, which is why a good "parts-person" can be priceless.

There are articles on the forum that advise how to post pictures, but I have never attempted it.

wolverine49

[Chris F]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wolverine49
Lionel's long history of parts-designation defies comprehension, and the cross-referencing process is mind-boggling, ...
wolverine49

You got that right! Although Olsen's has the slotted brushes, Lionel LLC doesn't. Lionel has substituted 610-8507-150 "shunted" brushes, which are easily identified by braided copper coming from the tops. The copper braid is intended to improve conductivity. I tried a pair in my 2056 - they work fine. Just a heads up in case your parts vendor runs out of the older slotted brushes.

[Anonymous]

ChrisF,

Thanks for the heads-up. I havd heard of these "shunted brushes" and have seen them pictured somewhere, but have never used them. They sound like a good idea. Some of my power tools use shunted brushes.

I'd like to see an exploded diagram showing exactly how they are installed. Anybody know where to find such a thing?

wolverine49

[Chris F]

I've downloaded all 47 supplements from Lionel's website. Supplements from at least 1993 show exploded views that show the line from the top of the brush, but they don't show the attachment point. The end of the copper braid is soldered to the same lug as the wire leading to the e-unit. My first repair job involving shunted brushes was to re-solder a loose connection on one of the two Pullmor motors in my 18219 Dash 8 (1993). That was my first motor repair job - looking back I'm surprised I realized not to solder the braid to the spring!