Lionel - "Winner Toy Corporation"

[Anonymous]

I have a complete set in the original box that was my father's as a boy. I have Googled up some information and learned that this was actually made by Lionel and sold as a budget set during the Depression in the early 30's and would like to know if anyone might know where I could fing information on it's approximate present day value. I am way too much of a sentimentalist to sell it I would just like to know.

Thanks

[spankybird]

try this one

http://www.traincity.com/price_guide/plli.html

[Anonymous]

Here is some amplifying information on the orginal post:

Outfit part no. 1003 (Steam Type Freight) - original price $5.50 for the set

Includes:

1015 Steam Loco and 1016 tender ($2.75 original price)
1512 Gondola ($.55 original price)
1517 Caboose ($.60 original price)
1013 curved track and 1018 straight track ($.15 ea original price)
1012 Station transformer ($1.75 original price)
1014 Lock on ($.10 original price)

I checked the link above but the part no's do not match up. According to other information I could find, this set was probably made in 1930-1932 time frame.

Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

According to the Greenberg Lionel priceguide, the current values for the pieces in your set are as follows:

-1015 Steam Loco and 1016 Tender: $100 good condition, $205 excellent condition
-1512 Gondola: $29 good, $47 excellent
-1517 Caboose: $25 good, $31 excellent
-1012 Station Transformer: $50 good, $70 excellent

The track and lockon have very little value. Note that these are the prices for the pieces individually. All together as a boxed set, they would be worth more than the combined individual values, especially if the box is in nice shape. Cindition is everything and as you can see from the prices listed, it makes a big difference in value.

[pbjwilson]

I would bet even at $5.50 that was still a pricey set in the Depression. Although its hard to imagine 50 and 60 cents for a train car.

I love hearing my dad talk of the Depression -the ice man, a neighbor that lit the kerosene street lamps, streetcars, and the Monon line went right through his back yard.

[prewardude]

QUOTE: Originally posted by pbjwilson

I love hearing my dad talk of the Depression -the ice man, a neighbor that lit the kerosene street lamps, streetcars, and the Monon line went right through his back yard.

Those were the days. I don't think anybody will ever be able to convince me that that wasn't a better time to be alive. This modern age sucks!

Sory, that was off-topic, wasn't it? [V]

[tschmidt]

dkvt87,

Maybe you could post some pictures so we could see it.

Tom S

[1688torpedo]

Hello Prewardude! There is plenty of truth to your words. Whenever I hear older Folks talk about past days it almost sounds like this was a different Country. IE: People helping each other out.More Civility amongsts the citizens of our Country. And, Even though most people made less money; It was worth more as it used to be on a Gold Standard and President Roosevelt took it off and ever since our money has been losing value. The House my father was raised in was a Colonial Style in Pennsylvania.Yet, When it was built it most likely did not cost any more than $2,000.00 in 1918. A new Roof for a Ranch house cost about $4,000.00- $5,000.00 alone! depending on location and local taxes. The point is even though there was a Depression in the 30's & a World War in the 40's most Elderly folks do feel that they were better times than now.Just look at how high Energy,Healthcare and Housing are compared to then. No Contest! Take Care.

[prewardude]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 1688torpedo

Hello Prewardude! There is plenty of truth to your words. Whenever I hear older Folks talk about past days it almost sounds like this was a different Country. IE: People helping each other out.More Civility amongsts the citizens of our Country. And, Even though most people made less money; It was worth more as it used to be on a Gold Standard and President Roosevelt took it off and ever since our money has been losing value. The House my father was raised in was a Colonial Style in Pennsylvania.Yet, When it was built it most likely did not cost any more than $2,000.00 in 1918. A new Roof for a Ranch house cost about $4,000.00- $5,000.00 alone! depending on location and local taxes. The point is even though there was a Depression in the 30's & a World War in the 40's most Elderly folks do feel that they were better times than now.Just look at how high Energy,Healthcare and Housing are compared to then. No Contest! Take Care.

Bingo! Well said, Keith. [;)]

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the help "tinplater" and everyone else. I will try to get some photos of the set up for your viewing pleasure.

Thanks again.

[Anonymous]

the most common Winner Lines set seems to be the electric outline engine w/ 2 pullman cars. less common are the full passenger sets with baggage car and observation and the freight sets.

here are some poor pictures of a few:

http://members.cox.net/marxtrains/winner_steam-freight.jpg
http://members.cox.net/marxtrains/winner_elct-pass.jpg

the Winner Line in general seems to have filled the gap between Ives and Lionel Jr.

http://members.cox.net/marxtrains/ives_steam-pass.jpg

condition is essential to their value. these were toys, not their big-brother Lionel heirlooms. they were typically well played with.

cheers...gary