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Lionel Tubular Track
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:33 AM
Hello everyone,

This is my first time on the forum. I have a very basic question. I am fairly new to the hobby and have been using the Lionel Fastrack that came with the starter sets etc. Is it Lionel's intention to eventually replace the tubular track completely? You may have already discussed this many times so I am sorry for a repeat question. Although, the Fastrack is easy to use I am still considering going to a tubular track. Thanks! Doug
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Posted by Jumijo on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:09 AM
I don't think tubular track is going to go away any time soon. Too many people use it and many, many layouts have it. That being said, I think FasTrack is a quantum leap forward in terms of ease of use and conductivity. It snaps together easily and stays together. It also looks much better, and the plastic ballast can be painted for an even more realistic appearance.

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Posted by Buckeye Riveter on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:11 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jaabat

I don't think tubular track is going to go away any time soon. Too many people use it and many, many layouts have it. That being said, I think FasTrack is a quantum leap forward in terms of ease of use and conductivity. It snaps together easily and stays together. It also looks much better, and the plastic ballast can be painted for an even more realistic appearance.

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Posted by ben10ben on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:33 PM
At one time, I heard it said that Lionel made 3 miles of tubular track each year. This a year or two before fastrack came out.

With production like that, I find it hard to believe that tubular will go away any time soon, even with Fastrack being put in all of the starter sets. I've known of several people who have requested that their starter set Fastrack be replaced with O or O27, and there are plenty of people still using tubular.

If nothing else, other people, like K-line(assuming that they aren't bought by Lionel), will continue to make tubular.
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Posted by ADCX Rob on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ben10ben

At one time, I heard it said that Lionel made 3 miles of tubular track each year. This a year or two before fastrack came out.




This is way underestimated... it was probably more like 3 miles per week.

Rob

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Monday, February 14, 2011 6:12 PM

ben10ben


If nothing else, other people, like K-line(assuming that they aren't bought by Lionel), will continue to make tubular.

Well, that all came & went.

Has RMT released any of the former K-Line Shadow Rail yet?

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Monday, February 14, 2011 7:59 PM

Welcome  to the forum.  There are "pros" and "cons" for both the Fastrack and Tubular.  I'm a "tubular" guy. I like the old toy-train look and, beside that, the price ain't bad Smile

As noted, I agree that the tubular track will be available for quite awhile.  Go with what you like and have fun.

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Posted by servoguy on Monday, February 14, 2011 9:46 PM

Tubular track is cheap.  I mean really cheap if you buy it used.  It will apparently last forever if it is not stored where it will rust.  It is easy to cut to fit.  I don' t think you can easily cut fastrack.  I have a whole box of cut sections of O-31 track which I find to be very useful.

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Posted by phillyreading on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:05 PM

I am staying with tubular track!Big Smile Very easy to work with and affordable.

I have tried Fastrac and was not impressed with it, so I traded the Fastrac(and a couple other things) at a train show for an MTH engine. The problem I had with Fastrac is that it got dirty way too quickly, and I was using an interurban set (K-Line's # K-2703) of passenger cars on it.

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Posted by balidas on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:14 PM

I also run tubular, both Lionel and Marx with a bit of Sakai. I did have quite a bit of Atlas 0, but got rid of it all recently to get more tubular and other postwar items.

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Posted by steve24944 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:40 AM

Sakai ? Never heard of it.  I google Sakai,  an old Japanese  track from the 1950s ?

I use good old tubular track, with O-22 switches.  I like the look of gargraves and Ross Switches, but I had so much tubular track I did not want to make the switch.  Besides, that what Lionel is all about.  Sorry to the fast track guys but I don't  like the look of it.  Look too plastic.  I was surprised when I was in Mizell trains trains in Denver and asked about why he did not carry gargraves track. He said that he does not see people buy it anymore, that most people have gone to fast track.  Caboose Hobbies in Denver does not carry gargraves either.   But most of the the big railroad layouts featured in the photo spreads in CTT use gargraves trach with Ross Switches.

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Posted by arkady on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:45 PM

jaabat
I don't think tubular track is going to go away any time soon. Too many people use it and many, many layouts have it. That being said, I think FasTrack is a quantum leap forward in terms of ease of use and conductivity. It snaps together easily and stays together. It also looks much better, and the plastic ballast can be painted for an even more realistic appearance.

I agree with this 100%.  I used to have a Super O layout, and liked it for most of the reasons given above.  But alas, Super O is no longer in production, and I find FasTrack a worthy replacement.  It's not cheap, but I am completely satisfied with it and will continue to use it.

As for tubular track, I agree that it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes.  A lot of people like it (many of them testifying here on this thread), it's relatively cheap and it's a known technology.  I still keep tubular track around to run my prewar Lionel, which doesn't get along at all well with FasTrack switches.

 

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Posted by phillyreading on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:05 PM

Also have to be careful with some post war rolling stock and the shoe pick-ups for uncoupling, with a UCS track, if so equipped. They might get snagged on Fastrac or ripped off.

My main gripes with Fastrac is that you need special fitter pieces, one and a half or one and eigth inch long, if you do anything near fancy with a layout design and these cost the same price as a full ten inch section of Fastrac. I priced a pair of switches for Fastrac at my local hobby shop, over $120.00 a pair!! For the same money I can buy at least three pairs of post war 022 switches.

Another thing about tubular track is that Bachmann is now selling O gauge tubular & 027 track in the Williams line.

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Posted by RockIsland52 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:06 PM

Smile, Wink & Grin Rob got a little behind on his reading but is catching up.  Laugh

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Posted by balidas on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:31 PM

Yea I noticed that too. It seems there have been a few threads recently that have risen from the dead.

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You do realize that the original post was in 2005?

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Posted by balidas on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:47 PM

The only info I've been able to find is that Sakia, a Japanese firm produced 0 gauge trains and 027 profile track in the early to mid '30's. I have a bunch of their track and switches. The switches look like 0 gauge 022 switches.

The track seems to be quite sturdy. You can identify it by the fact there are no markings and the tabs holding the rails in place are all smooth, no crimps. Every once in a while, on the bottom of an insulator will be stamped  "Japan" .

Recently on the bay was a Sakai steamer and tender up for auction. The first time I had seen any Sakai trains and it was a beauty. The winning bid was just over $200 and had I the money I would have bid also.

They also manufactured some HO.

 

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:27 PM

Sakai was like a combo of Marx & Lionel - the switches were like 1121 rails and a Marx mechanism.

Some examples of Sakai:

http://archive.liveauctioneers.com/archive4/newenglandtoytrain/23368/0328_1_lg.jpg

http://www.musclecars.net/parts/parts-images-large/sakai-japanese-steam-train-set-track-transformer_260698172409.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/20/!CEbeY2gEWk~$(KGrHqYOKiQEz9U7GQkHBNR1rqO,og~~_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!lwE1F)CBwyHBNWo-Zt3O!~~_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/12/!CDyQ3j!CGk~$(KGrHqZ,!l!Ez+zlYbw9BNP)EM7low~~_12.JPG

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Posted by balidas on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:56 PM

Are those your trains? They look great! I can't see the couplers, but I can see how somebody who doesn't know any better could confuse them with Marx.

The steamer that was recently on the bay had a bullet nose and was blue along with the tender. I seem to remember that the pickup shoe was similar to Marx.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:28 PM

These pics are from the web - eBay, etc.

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Posted by traindaddy1 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:35 PM

Some of us came on board after 2005 so we didn't have the opportunity to welcome Doug when the post was written.   ( Better late than never! )

Interesting....2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011....."Tubular" lives on. Smile

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Posted by steve24944 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:37 PM

Interesting how this started out as a 2005 question about fast track + tubular track to now in 2011 talking about old 1950 trains from Japan

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Posted by balidas on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:50 PM

lol! You started it. Big Smile

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