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The MTH Bantam locos are surprisingly good pullers...

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The MTH Bantam locos are surprisingly good pullers...
Posted by philo426 on Thursday, April 21, 2022 1:46 PM

I have it (MTH Bantam Blue Comet)pulling a pretty heavy train with no problems The Rail tank is on a Williams Heavyweight passenger car chassis and the tank unit alone weighs 2.5 lbs . Pretty cool!  https://youtu.be/Bde2WKkfzr8

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, April 21, 2022 1:47 PM

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, April 21, 2022 3:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bde2WKkfzr8 

MTH Bantams are pullers all right, I've got an N&W Class J I call "My little baby 611" that pulls like a draft horse.  Too bad they don't make those Bantams anymore, they and the starter sets they came in were a good deal!   

 

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Posted by philo426 on Thursday, April 21, 2022 4:00 PM

Yes they were,is your rifle a Brown Bess?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, April 21, 2022 8:54 PM

I have TWO Brown Besses!  One original and one replica in carbine form. 

My favorite flintlock musket, stocked like a modern shotgun it fits me perfectly and shoots reliably.  Actually I haven't shot either one in some years, the passion's not there right now but it might come back.  Who knows?

I used to shoot trap (claybirds) with the Bess carbine too!  PULL!  

Full disclosure, that's not me in the picture, it's one I downloaded.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, April 22, 2022 12:32 PM

Nice!do you have to prime the frizzen with 4f powder?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, April 22, 2022 5:58 PM

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Nice!do you have to prime the frizzen with 4f powder?

 

Typically I did.  As a sport shooter speed in loading wasn't a problem so I had a separate flask with 4f priming powder.

Historically the Brown Bess like all military flintlock muskets of the time were primed with the same powder that was in the cartridge, usually the equivalent of modern 2f black powder.  If the lock and the flint were good it didn't make much difference, if any at all, I've tried it myself and it works.  Modern re-enactors prime with the powder from the paper cartridges they make themselves.

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Posted by philo426 on Friday, April 22, 2022 7:21 PM

Ok sounds good!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, April 23, 2022 10:41 AM

philo426

Ok sounds good!

 

Just in case anyone's curious here's that nice young Mr. Brandon demonstrating the military method of loading a Brown Bess.  He takes his time with the demonstration but be advised in the 18th Century soldiers were trained to do this in fifteen seconds.  Yes, it can be done.  I tried it once myself, but only once.  There's no reason to do it now strictly for safety reasons, especially with live ammo.  (Unless you're a re-enactor doing it with blank loads.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleUgqTFHHQ

By the way, great job on that armored "tank" car!  It looks a lot like something the Germans had during WW2.

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Posted by pennytrains on Saturday, April 23, 2022 7:08 PM

Actually that's a bit better firing rate than I suspected.  I always heard that a trained man could only fire three "aimed shots" per minute with a muzzle loader.

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Posted by philo426 on Saturday, April 23, 2022 10:28 PM

You ought to o try loading a 1851 Navy fast...not really happening..

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Posted by philo426 on Saturday, April 23, 2022 11:11 PM

Thanks!it is actually a Russian design and features 3 T-28 tank turrets.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:51 AM

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You ought to o try loading a 1851 Navy fast...not really happening..

 

I've got one of those too.  Yep, no way to speed up the process. 

One thing that was done back in the old days was to carry spare loaded cylinders.  If you've ever seen the film "Gettysburg" during the fight for Little Round Top you can see Jeff Daniels (as Colonel Chamberlain) reloading his Colt 1860 Army revolver in just that manner.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:52 AM

philo426

Thanks!it is actually a Russian design and features 3 T-28 tank turrets.

 

Interesting!  It's a beast anyway you look at it!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, April 24, 2022 7:58 AM

pennytrains

Actually that's a bit better firing rate than I suspected.  I always heard that a trained man could only fire three "aimed shots" per minute with a muzzle loader.

 

Three shots a minute was pretty much the case with the rifled muskets of the Civil War period.  There was a slight bit of resistance ramming the Minie' balls down the rifled barrel which slowed the process somewhat.

Smoothbore muskets with their undersized bullets could be loaded more quickly since there was less resistance in the ramming process.

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Posted by philo426 on Sunday, April 24, 2022 8:05 AM

Yes Colts modular manufacturing process allowed the quick change out of cylinder or barrell possible.

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Posted by philo426 on Sunday, April 24, 2022 8:07 AM

Yes the tank superstructure is totally scratch built by me out of 80 styrene,along with the kit based turrets and other details.

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Posted by Art Young on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 6:56 AM

I wish someone still made the Bantams. They were the PERFECT starter sets. Scale engines and cars can always come later if the owner decides to go that way, but traditional size is forever!

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:56 AM

Yes the performance is remarkable given their entry level price point 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:57 AM

Art Young
I wish someone still made the Bantams. They were the PERFECT starter sets.

Absolutely!  A great entry-level package and better than anyone elses, simple and reliable with good track and transformer and no "gee-whiz" electronics to confuse a beginner.  The buyer could build on it (which I did) or use it once a year around the Christmas tree if that's all that was needed.  

I wish they'd bring it back as well but I'm not holding my breath.

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 10:57 AM

What do you think of the Lion Chief system?

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 11:37 AM

What do you think of the Lion Chief system?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:04 PM

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What do you think of the Lion Chief system?

 

This may get me in trouble but...

Honestly, not very much.  I don't like the remote-only method of control, nor do I like the lack of a transformer.  As I understand it the Lion Chief starter sets use a power pack that plugs into a wall socket and a cable that plugs directly into the track. 

In my opinion, and I realise I'm a fossil, the more you complicate things with electronics the greater the chances of failure.  Circuit boards can last 20+ years or they can blow tomorrow, you just never know. 

I've seen Lion Chief engines for sale as separate items which looked pretty good, but with no conventional control option I'm not interested. 

As far as I'm concerned starter sets should be packaged as conventional transformer control, there's much less to go wrong.  The end user can build on that foundation or not as they choose.  If I was shopping for a starter set for someone I'd be on the lookout for an older "New Old Stock" conventional control set.

However, I have no problem with Lion Chief+, those have a conventional control option which plain Lion Chief doesn't have.  I have a Lion Chief+ engine and I'm very happy with it.

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:40 PM

Yes because electronics can fail and if you can't switch it over to conventional control You end up with attractive loco shaped paperweights.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 5:16 PM

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Yes because electronics can fail and if you can't switch it over to conventional control You end up with attractive loco shaped paperweights.

 

There it is.  You can  bring them back to conventional control life with a Dallee Electronics drop-in E-unit board, I've done it on two dead engines (not Lion Chiefs) and it's not hard, the directions are easy to follow. 

The boards cost $99.95 for twin-motor engines, $59.95 for single motor engines, and are good for either AC or DC motors. Very reasonable in my opinion.  It's a lot better than the paperweight option! 

At any rate I'm only purchasing post-war or MPC era engines for the forseeable future, I've got all the cool modern stuff the previous eras I mentioned didn't cover that I need.  Unless one comes along I didn't KNOW I needed!   Wink  

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Posted by philo426 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 6:10 PM

Yes go for the tried and true easily repairable option.

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Posted by pennytrains on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:09 PM

Or, you pull the boards entirely and hot wire the motors for 3 rail DC operation which is what I had to do with my PS2 locomotives after they lost their minds.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:19 PM

That works too, although I haven't needed to do so.

What I have  done is taken post-wars with blown E-units and hard-wired the pick-ups directly to the motors.  They ran forward-only but at least they ran! 

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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, April 27, 2022 6:21 AM

Yes that is a good option if your track is not really set up for reverse operation.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, April 27, 2022 8:46 AM

philo426

Yes that is a good option if your track is not really set up for reverse operation.

 

Right, to minimise hassles I run on closed loops with no switches and hardly ever run anything in reverse anyway.  

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