Prewar Lionel 262 motor

[gs401]

Larry, no I do not have the three wires set between the armature poles. I'm referring to the soldered connection on the outer rim of the commutator. I assume the armature was wired in series and not parallel. Therefore there is not any set of three wires to bundle and solder. Due to no solder tabs on the commutator the wires to be soldered to

TrainLarry

Welcome to the forum!

Congratulations on your attempt to rewind the armature.

I take it the 'third wire' you are referring to are the 3 wires twisted together. The twisted pair is set in-between 2 of the armature poles, up against the armature shaft. Make sure the twisted pair is insulated from the shaft. The free ends get soldered to each of the commutator segements. When all is assembled, you need to twist slightly the commutator in relation to the armature pole segements to 'time' the armature. This is a trial and error procedure to find the best spot by running the motor and retiming the armature for the best performance.

 

Larry

 

the commutator were twisted together in order to pass through the small hole in the insulating plate the segments are attached to. Now, I noticed there were three wires twisted, passed through the small hole then soldered to the commutator copper/brass segment outer edge. I do know there was at least one twisted three wire set passed through segment hole but not sure of the other two segments. Maybe there was only one??? I don't know. I'm going to just proceed to wind and wire the entire armature as a series set-up and hope for the best. I know it's dufficult to understand without seeing all. Thanks and have a great day!

Len

 

[Flintlock76]

Welcome aboard!  You came to the right place!

And if you need pre-war parts try these folks:

http://www.henningstrains.com  

Good people!  I shop there whenever I'm in the area and have ordered on-line from them as well and gotten fast service too.

[Penny Trains]

aboard!

And good luck with the restoration!

Becky

[TrainLarry]

Welcome to the forum!

Congratulations on your attempt to rewind the armature.

I take it the 'third wire' you are referring to are the 3 wires twisted together. The twisted pair is set in-between 2 of the armature poles, up against the armature shaft. Make sure the twisted pair is insulated from the shaft. The free ends get soldered to each of the commutator segements. When all is assembled, you need to twist slightly the commutator in relation to the armature pole segements to 'time' the armature. This is a trial and error procedure to find the best spot by running the motor and retiming the armature for the best performance.

 

Larry

[gs401]

Hi everyone, I don't know if this is the correct forum but Im new here and have an interest in the early Lionel prewar trains. I'm just receintly retired and I want to do a complete restoration on an early 1930's Lionel 262 engine and tender. First off, it's really in a sad state of affairs not one wire had any insulation left, the collector had one end totally burnt off, the reversing switch was all corroded and the contacts were stuck etc. Now for my question......... I completely (without taking notes or pictures) ripped down the armature windings and seperated the communator. I'm planning to re-wind the armature in series using the same AWG as removed. However, when I removed all the old original magnetic wire I noticed there were three wires twisted and each one of the three wire sets soldered to each of the commutators three segments. I can not figure out what the third wire could be for?? This commutator does not have any tabs for soldering instead the wires are soldered directly to the outer diameter of each segment. Can anybody help me to understand what the third wire is for? Thanks in advance for any assistance.....

Len