As expected Clue number 2 is incorrect. Actually, Hafner's Overland Flyer brand started in 1914 after he left American Flyer.
NWL
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All of this just proves how much we've learned in the last 20 years. Probably due to #1 CTT, #2 the internet and #3 better auction reporting in general whether web based or not.
Penny Trains Nationwidelines Clue 1 William F. Hafner and William O. Coleman started manufacturing toy (wind-up) trains in Chicago in 1907 (not 1900 as your clue indicates). My resources suggested these variables: O'Brien's Collecting Toy Trains 5th Edition, 1999 Krause Publications: "American Flyer began in 1900 when William Hafner of Chicago, Illinois went into business as a toy manufacturer. When wind-up trains were added to the line-up, William Coleman was brought in as a financial partner. By 1910, trains were the firm's strongest line, and the company's name was changed to American Flyer" Toy Trains of Yesteryear c. 1972, 1987 Carstens Publications, Inc. Collection of articles written by Case Kowal for Toy Trains Magazine during 1953 and 1954: "Although the American Flyer M<anufacturing Company was founded in 1907..." Article is primarily about the AF O gauge No. 3020 locomotive. The American Toy Train by Gerry & Janet Souter,MBI Publishing Company1999: Under the heading "Hafner Company Enters The Toy Train Market" in chapter 3: (Hafner) "put his mechanical energies into developing a wind-up motor that was both simple and reliable. In 1901, the young mechanic formed the Hafner Company and put his motor into toy trucks, tiny doll swings, and a sheet metal automobile..." And later in the entry: "Finally, in 1905, after seeing interest rising for toy trains, he put his wind-up motor into a cast-iron locomotive shell and never looked back." So, I have 3 sources all giving different dates. Nationwidelines I am still not sure what Clue 2 refers to? Clue 2 is about a UP train name and a country, if that clears it up. It's really all about counting the underlines between the parentheses to know which word goes where.
Nationwidelines Clue 1 William F. Hafner and William O. Coleman started manufacturing toy (wind-up) trains in Chicago in 1907 (not 1900 as your clue indicates).
My resources suggested these variables:
So, I have 3 sources all giving different dates.
Nationwidelines I am still not sure what Clue 2 refers to?
Clue 2 is about a UP train name and a country, if that clears it up. It's really all about counting the underlines between the parentheses to know which word goes where.
Sadly reference 1 is incorrect in that Hafner started American Flyer in 1900. Hafner did start making windup items somewhere around that date, but is widely known to have made tin automobile/motor car items.
There is no evidence of Hafner selling trains prior to 1907, with the name American Flyer apparently not settled on until after the first series of cars were produced.
The first cars sold by American Flyer in 1907 are as follows:
The above car makes no reference to the name American Flyer
The second series of cars, introduced in 1908, prominently show the American Flyer name
As do the boxes from 1908
Reference 2 indicates that American Flyer Manufacturing Co was founded in 1907, which is also incorrect. The official company name was Edmonds Metzel Manufacturing (see Above box), which is a manufacturing company that was founded c. 1899, which was taken over by W. O Coleman c. 1906 and it was not until 1910 that the company name was changed to American Flyer Manufacturing Co.
As for Reference 3, I gave up on that source when I saw their referencing a Hafner Union Pacific City of Denver train as an American Flyer item on page 60. There are simply too many factual errors in that book to take it seriously.
NationwidelinesClue 1 William F. Hafner and William O. Coleman started manufacturing toy (wind-up) trains in Chicago in 1907 (not 1900 as your clue indicates).
NationwidelinesI am still not sure what Clue 2 refers to?
Penny,
Just one correction/answer
Clue 1 William F. Hafner and William O. Coleman started manufacturing toy (wind-up) trains in Chicago in 1907 (not 1900 as your clue indicates).
I am still not sure what Clue 2 refers to? It appears to be a jumble of American Flyer history.
Could Clue 2 possibly be referring to Edmonds-Metzel MFG becoming American Flyer Manufacturing in 1910? Or is it referring to when William F. Coleman left American Flyer in 1914 to form Hafner (Overland Flyer) trains?
AMERICAN FLYER48 WORDS
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