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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:53 PM

 25 is original, rebuilt in '76.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:47 PM

 15 is all new. The cars wear different liveries to represent different cable lines, and also the different paint schemes that were used at different times.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:38 PM

Car 54 is an original from the California Street line. The octagonal structure has a signal man for the crossing.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:31 PM

 Car 5 is an original, rebuilt in '56.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:27 PM

 Car 13 was built new. Powell cars are single ended, and must be turned.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:20 PM

The Powell and California street lines cross. California street cars are double ended, with 2 grip positions. Car 56 is an original car from the O' Farrell, Jones and Hyde, which also used double Enders.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:17 PM

Some of these cars are original. Of course refurbished. Some were built new. Let me grab my notes...

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:15 PM

Beautiful piece of equipment!  I'd say it's better than new!  

And the turntable and street look so clean you could eat off 'em!  Not that I'd try though...  Indifferent

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:10 PM

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:06 PM

 Ascending Powell : grades run up to 17%.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:01 PM

 On the table at Powell and Market. 

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 15, 2019 11:01 AM

https://www.streetcar.org/tag/ofarrell-jones-hyde-line/

Check it out ! The original line from back in the day ! 

There is a section that the cars ran Against traffic on a one way street !

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, June 4, 2019 8:46 AM

"Classic Trains" did a "Big GG1" issue several years back, a good one too.

Turns out the original GG1 shell was designed by an gent from the PRR's engineering department named Donald Dohner.  It was "...almost, but not quite there..." as far as looks go.

What Raymond Loewy did was use the Dohner shell and take it the rest of the way into the GG1 we're all familiar with.  It's much better looking than the Dohner concept.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Monday, June 3, 2019 11:08 PM

Famous industrial designers of the 1930's. Otto Kuhler, Henry Dreyfus, and the renowned Raymond Loewy, who did so much to shape the image of the PRR.

When he first came to the Pennsylvania to offer his services he was an unknown quantity, so they gave him the job of redesigning the trash cans in Penn Station. He must have done an amazing job, for next they gave him the GG1 assignment. The engine was complete mechanically, but the body was covered with visible rivets. Loewy's contribution was a sleek welded body, and the now famous 5 thin stripes that arc down and almost meet in the front. Sheer genius !!!

Not to mention the look of the unique and very stylish T1 Duplex. His touch is very tasteful once again in the Cleveland PCC's.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Monday, June 3, 2019 8:31 PM

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Here's what a PCC looked like in Cleveland Railway colors:

Raymond Loewy designed the scheme.  My favorite Cleveland transit photo:

Ummmm....maybe we should have built the line somewhere else?   Laugh

 

That paint scheme is gorgeous!!!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, June 3, 2019 8:22 PM

Here's what a PCC looked like in Cleveland Railway colors:

Raymond Loewy designed the scheme.  My favorite Cleveland transit photo:

Ummmm....maybe we should have built the line somewhere else?   Laugh

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, June 2, 2019 10:28 PM

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Maybe someone with a sharp eye might be able to identify some of the others ?

 

I recognize this one:

RTA (Regional Transit Authority) succeeded CTS, the Cleveland Transit System.

 

frame #3 in " PCC Challenge " is supposed to represent Cleveland, according to to roster link I included at the bottom. Look under  " Historical Streetcars "

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:25 PM

Thank you ! 

I've seen that paint scheme, but couldn't place it.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, June 2, 2019 6:18 PM

Postwar Paul
Maybe someone with a sharp eye might be able to identify some of the others ?

I recognize this one:

RTA (Regional Transit Authority) succeeded CTS, the Cleveland Transit System.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 9:32 PM

YesWell, at least it illustrates the paint scheme ! 

Boston has a top notch transit system. The green line goes to North Station, which shows on the front of one of the cars. My daughter and I used to play with these wooden trains when she was small. Still means something to us, but not a serious model...

She gave it to me as a momento...

 

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Posted by wrmcclellan on Saturday, June 1, 2019 9:12 PM

Yes! The drive mechanisms are awesome! Definitely go if you are in the area!

Regards, Roy

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:25 PM

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 8:19 PM

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Avert your eyes if you're the sensitive type....

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/end-of-the-line

and also: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2018/03/15/abandoned-america-trolley-graveyard/425043002/

Now if "taggers" would just stop vandalizing them the owner would be a much happier person.

 

 

 

Try this...

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/the-trolley-graveyard  

I fail to understand why anyone would collect an assortment like this just to let it rot.  Maybe I should be fair and think maybe  he's tried to sell them off but has had no takers.  According to the article he does sell the parts.  

In the meantime it looks like nature's trying to reclaim the lot of them.

 

Beautiful cars in very sad shape.

The only ones I can I.D. are the Boston cars-  the green ones with the " T" on the side. Maybe someone with a sharp eye might be able to identify some of the others ?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, June 1, 2019 7:53 PM

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Avert your eyes if you're the sensitive type....

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/end-of-the-line

and also: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2018/03/15/abandoned-america-trolley-graveyard/425043002/

Now if "taggers" would just stop vandalizing them the owner would be a much happier person.

 

Try this...

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/the-trolley-graveyard  

I fail to understand why anyone would collect an assortment like this just to let it rot.  Maybe I should be fair and think maybe  he's tried to sell them off but has had no takers.  According to the article he does sell the parts.  

In the meantime it looks like nature's trying to reclaim the lot of them.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 6:08 PM

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I bought a 1:48 cablecar kit so I could try to model this:

Note the destination board.  Wink

 

we stayed at Ho Jo's with my family. Somehow missed the trolley, though....we stayed at Ho Jo when we went to Disneyland,which is right across the street.

O.K., by the clothes, I'm figuring this shot to be '68, give or take....

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 6:03 PM

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Avert your eyes if you're the sensitive type....

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/end-of-the-line

and also: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2018/03/15/abandoned-america-trolley-graveyard/425043002/

Now if "taggers" would just stop vandalizing them the owner would be a much happier person.

 

so many cities operated PCC's at one time.

Sad to see them end up this way !

There's a great museum out here :

" Orange Empire", they've got a lot of Pacific Electric and L.A. Transit stuff.

Also a Ward Kimball barn, the last time I went !!

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Posted by lionelsoni on Saturday, June 1, 2019 6:01 PM

S gauge track is almost the perfect gauge for a 1/48-scale cable car.

Bob Nelson

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Saturday, June 1, 2019 5:56 PM

lionelsoni

Is there anyone who hasn't seen this?  https://www.loc.gov/item/00694408

 

Fantasic footage !

Thank you !!!

You can see an evolution in transit in this film:

a horse car

cable cars

electric trolleys,

not to mention the " horseless carriages" and the horse pulled goods wagon.

In the early '60's, my family took us to San Francisco, and this was when PCC's ruled Market street. They were stopping and starting with the traffic lights in heavy city traffic. Wheels slipping with each sudden start. Pretty amazing.

I loved S. F. as a kid: cable cars and PCC's !!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, June 1, 2019 5:52 PM

Avert your eyes if you're the sensitive type....

https://www.abandonedamerica.us/end-of-the-line

and also: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2018/03/15/abandoned-america-trolley-graveyard/425043002/

Now if "taggers" would just stop vandalizing them the owner would be a much happier person.

Trains, trains, wonderful trains.  The more you get, the more you toot!  Big Smile

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