Lionel 6-28339 O Santa Fe Warbonnet Legacy AC6000 #9876

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Lionel 6-28339 O Santa Fe Warbonnet Legacy AC6000 #9876
Posted by the train man 2000 on Saturday, October 06, 2018 8:18 PM

I need help here

I own this Locomotive the manual says says the Locomotive requires Lionel or Lionel-compatible O42 or larger track curves. I need a plan that uses O48  can I run my Locomotive on  O36

 

What is the different I though both requires Lionel or Lionel-compatible O-42 or larger track curves  since they are both  AC6000 one says  Minimum curve: O-36

 

(1) In this AC600 Manual 73-8403-250 7/11

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...3250LEGACYAC6000.pdf 

It says Your locomotive requires Lionel or Lionel-compatible O-42 or larger track curves.


(2) In this AC600 Manual 72-8298-250 10/08

https://www.lionelsupport.com/media/servicedocuments/57636728298250.pdf

It say  Minimum curve: O-36

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Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, October 08, 2018 7:46 AM

They may be models of the same prototype, but differences between details in the manuals' pictures suggest that they are different models of that prototype.

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Posted by rtraincollector on Monday, October 08, 2018 7:52 AM

as for the O36 track, I would not run the engine that requires O42 on it. 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, October 08, 2018 6:59 PM

Frequently a manufacturor will specify a minimum curve radius to ensure reliable tracking on switches.

That being said, if you want to try the 042 radius engine on 036 tracks I don't believe it  will hurt it, it might just work, but if it doesn't don't be surprised.  

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Posted by 8ntruck on Monday, October 08, 2018 7:19 PM

Sometimes it is clearance issues with switches (turnouts) on your layout that is the limiting factor for needing a larger minimum radius.  

I've got a couple of cars that track OK on 027 track, but they will not clear the switch machine when they is taken on the divergent path through the switch.  Some locomotives might have this issue as well.

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Posted by the train man 2000 on Monday, October 08, 2018 7:33 PM

I use 036 fastrack

 

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Posted by the train man 2000 on Monday, October 08, 2018 8:26 PM
The one from 7/11 is still in the box since my current is O36
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Posted by the train man 2000 on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:32 AM
what If i don't run switches
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Posted by phrankenstign on Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:33 PM

Overhang might be a problem on the O36 curves.  There may not be a problem with short trains.  However the possiblility of derailment increases the longer the train is due to the additional weight.  The strain might be just enough to cause the overhanging unit to tip over.

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Thursday, October 11, 2018 5:17 PM

It is interesting that both engines appear to be so similar.

You could try : set each engine upside down in a loco cradle. Test how much rotation each engines trucks have. Are they the same ? Look for any added details on the engine requiring O-42. Do they both have the same wheel configuration ? Blind drivers and such. If you feel like they are the same, you could then try it at low speed.

But personally, I would feel more comfortable staying with what the manufacturer recommends. They might know a reason why.

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Posted by lionelsoni on Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:29 PM

Aside from the truck rotation angle, length is very important, not only between coupler pulling faces, but also between truck pivots.

The history of Lionel's F3s is a good example.  The earlier, horizontal-motor models had trouble clearing O27 switch machines.  When they went to vertical motors, they wisely moved the pivots closer together.

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