"A Disturbance In The Force..."

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"A Disturbance In The Force..."
Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, April 20, 2018 9:11 PM

Anyone notice a tremor, a rumbling, a general sense of unease running through the land about 8:30 EST tonight?  Wonder what it was all about?

Well, wonder no longer.  A vintage "Lady Lionel" train set, yes the infamous "Girls Train" showed up on "Antiques Roadshow" this evening!  That disturbance in "The Force"  was Lady Firestorm's reaction, she HATES the sight of the thing!

"What girl in her right mind would have wanted one of those things?  If a girl wants a train she wants one that looks like a REAL one, not an Easter Egg!"

And that was the mildest thing she said!

Oh well.  By the way, the appraiser pegged it at $2,000 in case anyone's interested. New and in the original box too!

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:27 AM

The information the appraiser gave on the girls set and Lionel was wrong on every point. The set was boxed, but it could not have been new. The owner talked about giving her pets rides in the cars.

I have no idea what an original Postwar Lionel girls set is worth these days.

I had one years ago, but it was dirty, and I did not want to try to clean it. So out it went. I don't miss it.

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Posted by robmcc on Saturday, April 21, 2018 8:20 AM

LaughIf you had said Thursday night, I would have been a little freaked out by Lady Firestorm! We actually had a 4ish Magnitude earthquake near Detroit around 8 pm.

Becky - What are your thoughts on the "Girls" train?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, April 21, 2018 9:01 AM

Mr. Burfle, you're correct, I forgot about the owner saying she'd given her pets rides in the cars.  Mind you, I was running for cover at the time.

The set was in beautiful shape though, just about as new from what I could see, it was well taken care of. 

And I don't know, Noel Barrett is the "Toy Guy" on "Roadshow."  He may be right, he may be wrong, but it is his business. 

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, April 21, 2018 9:14 AM

And I don't know, Noel Barrett is the "Toy Guy" on "Roadshow."  He may be right, he may be wrong, but it is his business.

He may be the "Toy Guy" but he is a generalist.
I notice he usually doesn't do dolls. They are toys too.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:14 AM

OK, fair enough.  I will say I've seen some things on "Roadshow" I do know something about and have disagreed with the appraisals, but hey, the show's fun to watch anyway, right?

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Posted by cwburfle on Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:50 AM

Firelock76
OK, fair enough. I will say I've seen some things on "Roadshow" I do know something about and have disagreed with the appraisals, but hey, the show's fun to watch anyway, right?



Absolutely.
We record it every week and watch it.

As far as appraisels go, I've experienced the same feeling while watching antiques road show and any of the "treasure hunting" shows like Pawn Stars and Storage wars. They often over estimate the value of items with which I am familar.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, April 21, 2018 6:08 PM

robmcc
Becky - What are your thoughts on the "Girls" train?

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:28 PM

Penny Trains
 
robmcc
Becky - What are your thoughts on the "Girls" train?

 

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Oh wow, disgusted beyond words.  That says a lot.

Kind of like one Thanksgiving we were at Lady Firestorm's sister's house.  I was reading an issue of CTT and there was a "Lady Lionel" pictured in it.  Well, Lady F had her usual reaction, so her sister Pat and her daughters Stephanie and Janine came running to see what the commotion was about.

My God, the look of horror on their faces when they saw the "Girl's Train" was priceless!  I thought I'd split a gut laughing!

And they're not even into O gauge toy trains!  Although I have tried...

The girls DID have a pretty big "Thomas The Tank Engine" collection as children though.

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Posted by robmcc on Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:18 AM

[quote user="Penny Trains"]

 
robmcc
Becky - What are your thoughts on the "Girls" train?

 

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Laugh I figured as much, but had to ask anyways!!

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, April 22, 2018 12:54 PM

[quote user="Firelock76"

Oh well.  By the way, the appraiser pegged it at $2,000 in case anyone's interested. New and in the original box too!

 

They had a reproduction for sale at one of our local train stores a few years back. They wanted around $500 for the reproduction.

I actually kinda like it !

WhistlingBut I kinda like it around $250...[/quote]

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, April 22, 2018 1:24 PM

Aside from filling a hole in a post-war collection I can't see why anyone would want one, but if you "...kinda like it..." who am I to question you?  If you see one for $250, go for it!

I just don't dare bring one home to the "Fortress Firelock!"

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Posted by Michael6268 on Sunday, April 22, 2018 3:33 PM

I have one.  I like it!  Not my favorite, but a cool addition to my stuff!  

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:36 PM

Those pastel colored freight cars are pleasing to the eye ...

Yes, I like it.

So there !

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:46 PM

Hey, I can understand.  I kinda like this monstrosity from the 1930's...

www.american-rails.com/green-diamond.html

So butt-ugly it's classic!  If someone comes out with an affordable O gauge version I might just go for it!

Michael, Paul, keep your voices down, you might have an earthquake...

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Posted by POTRZBE on Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:48 PM

my little girl has the K line reproduction.  it is a fine set and we run it every Thanksgiving through Christmas.  a Lionel original sealed in the Box sold for $30,000 some years back.  So there!

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:56 PM

You're asking for an earthquake too.  You guys better be careful.

She's already mad enough I beat her at the Reader's Digest "Word Power" game.

Hey, she gets mad if she only scores a lousy 14 out of 15 at the thing!

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Posted by lionelsoni on Sunday, April 22, 2018 5:15 PM

I have the hopper car.  No one has ever noticed it.  Unless you are told that it is "lilac", you would take it for gray.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:15 PM

Firelock76
Hey, I can understand. I kinda like this monstrosity from the 1930's... www.american-rails.com/green-diamond.html So butt-ugly it's classic! If someone comes out with an affordable O gauge version I might just go for it!

Flyer did have "a train" labeled as the IC Green Diamond:

But the Pride Lines version was much closer:

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:08 PM

Well thanks for that Becky!

I've seen those American Flyers at train and antique shows, but they're a little to "tinny" for my taste.

Now that Pride Lines Green Diamond (Back in the 30's folks along the IC main line called it "The Tomato Worm")  looks interesting.

So I did a little research, found Graham's Trains, looked at the Green Diamond set price, then had my "19th Nervous Breakdown."

Looks like I'm going to have to be very patient before I can get one of those things. 

Hey, I waited ten years before I found a Lionel Bicentennial set at a price I could live with.  I can wait for a "Tomato Worm" just as well!

In the meantime, we'll just have to live a little vicariously and enjoy the set this guy owns...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmnwL5Ds4g

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Posted by thesiding on Sunday, April 22, 2018 8:00 PM

My niece (now 21) would play with the trains   I fixed a junker 2046 for her it became her train

 

On the computer I would show her pics at auctions of the layouts with and without track stuff I had stuff I wanted

 

then I showed her the Girl's Train pic          She did not respond but her face pretty much said

 

 

"Why is it pink?"

 

Works for Thomas Rosie is pink

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Posted by Postwar Paul on Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:46 PM

Firelock76

Well thanks for that Becky!

I've seen those American Flyers at train and antique shows, but they're a little to "tinny" for my taste.

Now that Pride Lines Green Diamond (Back in the 30's folks along the IC main line called it "The Tomato Worm")  looks interesting.

So I did a little research, found Graham's Trains, looked at the Green Diamond set price, then had my "19th Nervous Breakdown."

Looks like I'm going to have to be very patient before I can get one of those things. 

Hey, I waited ten years before I found a Lionel Bicentennial set at a price I could live with.  I can wait for a "Tomato Worm" just as well!

In the meantime, we'll just have to live a little vicariously and enjoy the set this guy owns...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmnwL5Ds4g

Wayne

 

That was a fun clip. We all like what we like. It's all good.

He's running outdoors, which is interesting. Garden Railways had an article in about 2000 with a guy in Western Pennsylvania with a garden line, running postwar Lionel. I like to flip back to that sometimes.

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Posted by phrankenstign on Monday, April 23, 2018 1:59 PM

Despite its history, I've always liked it.  I remember showing pictures of K-Line's version from the 90s to my daughter.  (She was always very girly and pink was her favorite color.)  She thought it was great!  I would have bought it at the time, but I just couldn't afford it then.  Now she's grown up and married.  I hope to give her one for Christmas either this year or next.  I figure in the future I can always give her the extra add-on cars K-Line and Williams produced.

When she was growing up, it was her (and her sister's) Barbies who were continually traveling back and forth via Thomas' and James' Troublesome Trucks.

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Posted by Leverettrailfan on Monday, April 23, 2018 3:22 PM

I personally think that the “girl’s set” was a great idea. But not because it was what those girls wanted! It wasn’t the train that most girls wanted, but, it was a train, specifically marketed at a female market. Kinda broke the unspoken rule, “trains are toys for boys and boys alone”. So, at least this was a step towards folks getting what they really wanted. Maybe if your parents were finally willing to buy a train, you could convince them to pick a different one. Or you could take the train for a visit to your grandfather’s garage, and have him help you “set things straight”, eh? If I had recieved one of these as a youngster, I might have liked it at a younger age, but I grew out of pink, fast. And you bet I would have repainted that train. It wasn’t valuable when it was new, it’s only a rare collectable because most girls who like trains, are like most all us train people- we don’t want pink barbie trains, we want REAL trains!

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, April 23, 2018 6:59 PM

Firelock76
a little to "tinny" for my taste.

Yeah, even considering the prewar tinplate vibe this one looks like Flyer didn't have the best expectations for high sales figures.  It also looks more like "The Green Aeolus" to me.  Wink

Firelock76
So I did a little research, found Graham's Trains, looked at the Green Diamond set price, then had my "19th Nervous Breakdown." Looks like I'm going to have to be very patient before I can get one of those things.

I'm hip.  Pride Lines had a few Disney trains I always wanted.  Oh well, onto the "lottery list" they go!  Big Smile

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, April 23, 2018 7:13 PM

You know, I'm sure I mentioned this before, but here goes...

Over the past 29 years or so I've read articles in CTT, Model Railroader, and OGR about husband-and-wife-team model railroaders, and I'm reminded that a lot of the wives got into toy trains as young girls courtesy of the American Flyer Circus Train.

The Circus Train pre-dates the "Lady Lionel" by eight or so years, and it certainly had everything a girl would want in a train set, at least in my estimation.  It was colorful, and not condescendingly so, had a sleek steam engine, and had animals, and what little girl doesn't like animals?  AND it had "Big Top" accessories as well!

I don't know if AF had girls in mind with this set, but they may have swerved into something without realizing it.

Have a look and tell me what you think.

http://thegilbertgallery.org/Sets%20Gallery/freight_sets-5002T-Circus-Train.html

Lady Firestorm agrees, she would have loved to have had a set like this!

I'm surprised it was made only in 1950.  I suppose it wasn't a good seller?  Can't imagine why not.

PS:  A lot, if not all of the wives I mentioned still had their Circus Trains!

How's about a video?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcTrC4phk6Q

 

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Posted by thesiding on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:55 PM

Some one on you tube in England Runs stuff on an elevated line INCLUDING Lionel

 

(Seeing aTurbine at full speed with the VERY wide curves is quite a sight

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Posted by thesiding on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:01 PM
If one wants to buy one I would recommend the K Line set you get buildings with it
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Posted by fifedog on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:26 AM

Perhaps if Big L had marketed the "Girl's Train" as an Easter Eggspress instead, the conversation changes...?

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Posted by alank on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 2:36 PM

The girl who lived across the street from me recieved an original 1957 Girls Train Set from her parents when they introduced her to trains.   She was born in 1966 and her dad was a Lionel Factory Trained Authorized Train Repairman.  Her grandparents owned the store from which the set came.

She didn't want  the trainset because of the pink locomotive so they took it back and gave her a Super-O General set which she still had the last I knew. 

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