Need help restoring Lionel 736 variation A.

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Need help restoring Lionel 736 variation A.
Posted by Alfie920 on Saturday, July 01, 2017 10:02 PM

Hello it was recommended i submit this post here.

 

I am restoring my grandfather's Lionel 736 variation A steam locomotive.

 

I have cleaned and lubed the engine and it works and looks great, however I have two tasks to complete my project.

 

The steam chest was damaged badly and I was able to find a NOS steam chest (holes but no flag holders) and 2 NOS hexagonal nickel flag holders.

 

1) Does anyone have any tips in pressing these flag holders into the holes on the steam chest properly.

 

2) I found 2 replacement green jewels, the jewels/rhinestones on the sides are missing. What would be the best way to glue(type?) or attach the new ones onto the boiler front?

 

 

 

Thank you for your help!

 

Al

 

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Posted by LL675 on Sunday, July 02, 2017 10:59 AM

I put a small drop of super glue in the recess where the jewel goes, and then put them in place.

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Posted by cwburfle on Sunday, July 02, 2017 12:19 PM

How about some photos?
The steam chest casting are very tough, rugged pieces.
What sort of damage did your grandfather's locomotive suffer?

Some years ago, a relative brought me a 736 Berkshire that had been submerged in a flood, and allowed to just sit for years before he brought it to me. (A service station told him the trains weren't worth fixing).
There were parts that needed to be replaced, but I don't think the steam chest was one of them.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:12 PM

On the question about the flag holders, I took a look at my 736 and it doesn't have them and never did, so, I took a look at my Williams Berk, a copy of the Lionel, and it does have the holders.  It looks to me the flag holders were simply press-fit into the holes.  If your flag holders are to big to fit I'd suggest drilling the holes out (carefully) and then trying to fit the holders.  It the holes are slightly oversize no biggie, just glue them in place with super glue.  Who's gonna know?

I'm assuming since it was your grandfather's you intend on keeping it a long, long time.

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Posted by rtraincollector on Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:49 PM

The Flag holders where put in then using a special press they were stamped to keep them in. You need to find someone with a arbor press with the proper die to put them in original form. other wise I would just put a drop of super glue to hold them in. 

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Posted by Curmudgeon on Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:56 PM

I thought the early ones were threaded in. I'll dig one out and take a photo later if I remember.

Do they go in at all?

Have you checked the hole in the pilot beam for threads, like maybe a 4-40?

They could be 2-56, but again, I'll have to check.

If they don't start in the hole at all might be a trick to keep the end from collapsing.

But a 12-point 1/4" drive socket that just fits over the top of the flag holder (if you have one that small), down against the hex, and a bench vise might just do it, if you watcg the part at 90 degree points to make sure it's going in straight...and lube it first.

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Posted by Curmudgeon on Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:13 PM

If they do just slide in, or push in with minimal pressure, a center punch on the bottom side with the top resting on a gig bench vise, and whack it just enough to peen it over will work. I do all sorts of Lionel rivets that way, never used an arbour press to do it, and it's been.....60+ years of doing that.

BTW, here is a photo of and "early" flagholder. When I repaint and/or restore, I just unscrew them.

I know 726, and if I recall early 736 had them (which I think this is from). Depends on actual year and number of cab windows.

But, you are dealing with repro stuff here, so it's probably generic for later.

As I said, if it's a threaded hole in the pilot beam, you probably won't get the non-threaded units in without drilling the hole out (selectively) with numbered drill bits, then peen over the curl on the end.

Early threaded were 700E-69, later were 726-104.

Of course, over the decades things can be changed...I have one 736 that isn't. Has 1946 726 drivers and lead/trail trucks and 1946 long die cast six-wheel tender.

700E-69N threaded nickel flag post 1.75  
700E-69B threaded black flag post 1.75
726-104 nickel plated flagholder repro 1.25  

I think if it was mine, I'd order threaded ones and thread the holes, but, hey, it's not my engine.

 

 

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Posted by cwburfle on Monday, July 03, 2017 9:54 AM

If you are doing a restoration, then I'd suggest getting the correct post, which should be press-in.
If you are fixing up the loco to use, and are not concerned about "collectability", then threaded would be fine if you can drill and tap the holes.

It's your train to fix up as you see fit.

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Posted by Alfie920 on Wednesday, August 02, 2017 12:28 PM

Firelock76-

Without a proper press to press in the flag holders I used your tip...i very carefully drilled the press fit hole and was then able to press them in with little effort and used some superglue to make sure they don't come out...it looks fantastic.

 

For the new jewels...i bough replacements on eBay and superglue worked very well.

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Wednesday, August 02, 2017 5:55 PM

Great!  Let us know when the project's done and send some pictures if you can.

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Posted by Alfie920 on Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:36 PM

Could you recommend a photo saving website? Flickr & photobucket no longer offer the option to 3rd party host free....as the beginner forum picture posting suggests.

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Posted by ADCX Rob on Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:39 AM

Alfie920
Could you recommend a photo saving website

Try TinyPic.

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Posted by Alfie920 on Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:21 PM

Thanks Rob.

I have tried tinypic today, unforunately every image I upload fails currently waiting to hear from their support.

 

I will have pics posted asap, if anyone has any other photo sites that can be used on this forum please share it and I will try it.

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:31 PM

I haven't done it myself, don't have a digital camera, but some folks here report good results with Shutterfly.

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Posted by Alfie920 on Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:31 PM

  Lionel 736

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Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, August 21, 2017 6:39 PM

Beautiful job!  YesBig Smile

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Posted by Firelock76 on Monday, August 21, 2017 8:54 PM

Well done, fantastic job!  It's good for another 50 years!

Take care of that little time traveler now, y'hear?

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